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这是一场轰动世界的音乐剧 It's the musical that took the world by storm.
亚历山大·汉密尔顿的故事 The story of Alexander Hamilton,
一个不太出名的开国元勋 one of the more obscure founding fathers,
通过嘻哈音乐的形式 told through the medium of hip-hop,
使整个美国神魂颠倒 that dazzled America
一夜成名 and became an overnight sensation.
这出戏看起来很激动人心 The play is exciting to see.
制作本身就是如此生动 The production itself is just so alive.
你看了 走出来飘飘欲仙 You go there and walk out and you're flying.
我成为了那些传颂的一部分 传达给人们 I became part of the chorus of people telling people,
“这真的很了不起” "This is really something."
此剧使年轻的剧作家 The show made an instant star
一举成名 of its young creator,
林-曼努尔·米兰达 Lin-Manuel Miranda,
他独特的视野改变了百老汇 whose singular vision transformed Broadway,
以21世纪美国的声音和面貌 bringing the sounds and faces of 21st Century America
重新讲述自己国家的历史 to a re-telling of his nation's history.
他的方式很卓越 It's just remarkable that he took
采取了历史上的美国故事 a traditional American message
把它变成了现代的嘻哈音乐 and turned it into a contemporary hip-hop telling
讲述一个伟大的故事 of a great story.
这确实是百老汇的分水岭时刻 It really marked the watershed moment in Broadway,
不仅因为它包含了嘻哈音乐 not only because of its inclusion of hip-hop,
而是它所改变的 but for the way that it has changed
为有色人种 and opened up a space
以令人惊叹的方式敞开大门 for people of color in a way that's been amazing to see.
他是一个天才 He's a genius.
他代表了一些我们在百老汇 He represents something that we haven't seen
很长时间没见过的 on Broadway in a really long time -
独立的创作者 the self-contained auteur.
在百老汇我能想到的这样的人很少 There are very few people I can think of on Broadway
写剧本 写歌词 who wrote the script, wrote the lyrics,
写音乐并出演主角 wrote the music and starred in the show.
这就是 汉密尔顿 的故事：现象 历史 This is the story of Hamilton: the phenomenon, the history,
以及这个才华横溢的人 使这些付诸可能 and the man whose outstanding talent made it all happen.
成为非常博学的人 To have somebody who's deeply well-read,
魅力四射 融入流行文化 富有历史智慧 charismatic, into pop culture, historically savvy -
这三点都体现在他身上 he married all these three things together.
就像一串奇特的炸药 It was just like this weird strand of dynamite.
击中百老汇 然后就轰然爆炸 It hit Broadway and it was just like... boom!
汉密尔顿 一炮而红百老汇
《汉密尔顿》首演 When "Hamilton" first premiered
是2015年2月 一炮而红 in February 2015, it was an instant hit.
它受到评论家的普遍好评 Universally acclaimed by critics,
这出戏很快变成了 the play soon became
纽约最炙手可热的 一票难求 the hottest ticket in New York City,
整个街区都排起了长队 with queues stretching around the block.
这是历史 嘻哈音乐和音乐剧不可思议的融合 The unlikely mix of history, hip-hop and musical theater
几乎让所有人都大吃一惊 had caught almost everyone by surprise,
随着“汉密尔顿”效应的蔓延 and as the "Hamilton" phenomenon grew,
公众的注意力很快聚焦 public attention was quick to focus
在节目的主创和主演 on the show's charismatic creator and star,
林-曼努尔·米兰达 Lin-Manuel Miranda.
林-曼努尔·米兰达是 Lin-Manuel Miranda is
演员 歌手 an actor, singer,
说唱歌手 a rapper,
剧作家 作曲家 a librettist, a composer.
他主要在音乐剧方面工作 He works primarily in musical theater
但他也做过电视和电影 but he's also done television and film.
他现在成为美国音乐剧舞台上 He's one of the most powerful, galvanizing forces right now
最强大的激励力量之一 in the American musical theater scene.
他毕业于卫斯理大学 He went to Wesleyan,
那是一所很好的文理学校 which is a good liberal arts school.
他就是在那个时候开始 It was at that time that he began
融合他年轻时的许多兴趣 to merge a lot of his interests from his youth
在纽约长大 在音乐剧院里 听着嘻哈音乐 growing up in New York, in music theater, in hip-hop,
萨尔萨和其他拉丁音乐 salsa and other kinds of Latino music.
他开始利用这些来打造自己的音乐剧 He began to use those to forge a musical theater of his own
这最终会形成一场革命 that in the end would form a kind of revolution
于音乐剧能成为什么 in what musical theater could be.
他很少见 尤其是因为他也是个表演者 He is rare, especially because he's also a performer.
林唯一缺少的是 The only thing Lin is missing
他既不是导演或者编舞 is Lin is not a director or a choreographer.
他可能成为一名导演 He may become a director.
他是个有能力有才华的人 他能做到 He's a capable, talented guy. He could do it.
他在1980年出生在一个波多黎各家庭 Born in 1980 to Puerto Rican parents,
米兰达在拉丁裔社区长大 Miranda was raised in the Latino neighborhoods
在华盛顿高地和茵伍德 of both Washington Heights and Inwood
位于纽约上曼哈顿 in New York's Upper Manhattan.
他在音乐和表演艺术方面的天赋 His gift for music and the performing arts
在年轻的时候就出现了 showed itself at a young age,
并为他在90年代末在卫斯理大学 and earned him a place at the liberal arts college
这所文理学院赢得了一席之地 Wesleyan University in the late 90s.
就是在卫斯理 年轻的林-曼努尔 It was at Wesleyan, that the young Lin-Manuel
首次开始结合他的两大兴趣 first started to combine his twin interests
嘻哈音乐和戏剧 of hip-hop and theater;
他成立了一个即兴嘻哈剧团 he founded an improvisational hip-hop troupe
名叫“自由潇洒爱最大” called 'Freestyle Love Supreme'
并在许多音乐剧 and performed in numerous musical
以及校园里的戏剧演出 and theater productions on campus.
但直到他在卫斯理大学读大二的时候 But it was during his sophomore year at Wesleyan
林-曼努尔惊人的天赋才开始 that Lin-Manuel's prodigious talent started
把他和他的同龄人区分开 to separate him from his peers.
他开始写《身在高地》的初稿 He began writing the first draft of "In the Heights",
一部罕见地融合了拉丁音乐的音乐剧 a musical with an unusual blend of Latin music,
萨尔萨舞和说唱元素 salsa and elements of rap that was set
设定在多米尼加裔美国人社区 in the Dominican-American neighborhood
位于纽约华盛顿高地 of Washington Heights in New York City.
与年轻的戏剧导演托马斯·凯尔一起 Together with the young theater director Thomas Kail,
米兰达将这部剧 Miranda developed the play
打造成成熟的百老汇版本 into a full-blown Broadway production,
它2005年在康涅狄格州首演 which premiered in Connecticut in 2005,
最终获得一个在百老汇 before finally achieving a major opening
盛大首演的机会 on Broadway in 2008.
我喜欢音乐剧 我想终身投身音乐剧 I loved musicals. I wanted a life in musicals.
我知道我永远也演不了伯纳多【音乐剧《西区故事》】 I knew I was never going to get cast as Bernardo.
因为我不会跳舞…我不是芭蕾舞演员 Because I don't dance... I'm not a ballet dancer.
我知道我永远不会被选上 I knew I was never going to get cast
《我，堂吉诃德》中的角色 in "Man of La Mancha"
因为我没有唱歌剧的嗓音 because I don't have an operatic voice.
如果你想演音乐剧 And if you want to be in musicals
而你是个波多黎各人 那就到此为止了 and you're a Puerto Rican dude, that's all you get.
这就是清规戒律 That was what existed in the canon.
所以我开始写《身在高地》 So I started writing "In the Heights"
因为我想给自己开辟一条路 because I wanted to make a way for myself.
这是一个关于多米尼加裔美国人们的故事 It's a story about Dominican Americans
他们住在纽约的华盛顿高地 living in Washington Heights in New York
也就是林-曼努尔·米兰达原来待的地方 which is where Lin-Manuel Miranda is from.
所以这是一个关于这些人生活的故事 So it's a kind of story of the lives of these people
他们有梦想 愿望 希望和渴望 who have dreams and aspirations and hopes and desires
去实现美国梦 to achieve the American dream.
在我看来 《身在高地》 "In the Heights" to me
使他成为新一位斯派克·李 established him as the new Spike Lee.
这是一部精彩的作品 It's this brilliant piece of writing.
表面上你认为这个故事 On the surface you think it's this story
是关于奋斗 确实里面有这些 about striving, which it is,
不过这还有家庭和文化的多样性 and also family and this cultural diversity
这些元素你能在这曼哈顿的高地的这家拉丁家族找到 where you see this Latin family in the Heights in Manhattan,
但实际上 这是一个关于中产阶级化的故事 but really it's this story about gentrification.
《身在高地》是一部非常传统的音乐剧 "In the Heights" is a very traditional musical.
使它从传统中出众的 What made it distinct from that tradition
是采用了与以往不同的声音 was that it was using different sounds
它们从未被大规模使用 than had formerly been used to such an extent
在百老汇音乐剧的故事里 in musical storytelling on Broadway.
具体来说 形成了一个雏形 融合了 Specifically, it merged, in an early form,
嘻哈和拉丁音乐 hip-hop and Latin music.
我们在百老汇很少有拉美裔的剧 We haven't had a lot of Latino shows on Broadway.
我想到了《西区故事》和《身在高地》 I think of "West Side Story" and "In the Heights".
就这些了 林是在纽约长大的 That's the extent of it. Lin is a New York City kid.
很多百老汇的剧目都设定在过去 A lot of Broadway shows tended to be set in the past
或者在一个幻想的世界里 or in a kind of fantasy world -
《狮子王》的奇幻世界 the fantasy world of "The Lion King"
或者《歌剧魅影》19世纪的歌剧院 or the 19th century opera house, of "The Phantom of the Opera".
林的剧是现代的 Lin's show was contemporary.
这是他在高地的生活 他的街区邻居 It was his life in the Heights, the people in his neighborhood.
- 96000 ! -艹! - 96,000! - Damn!
- 96000 ! -美元?老天! - 96,000! - Dollars? Holler!
96000元! 96,000!
-喷雾罐可真多啊 -96000… - That's a lot of spray cans. - 96,000...
如果我明天赢了彩票 Yo, if I won the lotto tomorrow
我知道我不会介意 Well, I know I wouldn't bother goin'
一掷千金 On no spendin' spree
我会选一所商学院 交掉学费! I'd pick a business school and pay the entrance fee!
如果你幸运的话 你还是可以和我做朋友! Then maybe if you're lucky, you'll stay friends with me!
我会成为商人 比妮娜的爸爸还富有! I'll be a businessman, richer than Nina's daddy!
唐纳德·特朗普和我在球场上 Donald Trump and I on the links
他是我的球童! And he's my caddy!
我的钱生钱 My money's makin' money
我要白手起家变富豪! I'm goin' from po' to mo' dough!
珠宝你留着吧 我要黄铜戒指 Keep the bling, I want the brass ring,
像指环王 Like Frodo
哦 不 吹牛先生来了 Oh no, here goes Mr. Braggadocio
你反应过来之前 他就像匹诺曹一样撒谎了… Next thing you know, he's lying like Pinocchio...
只是语言和它带来的兴奋… Just the language, the excitement of it...
《身在高地》在百老汇上演的时候 When "In the Heights" was on Broadway
是一个非常激动人心的文化时刻 was a really exciting cultural moment.
它真的很强大 It was really powerful
而这在很大程度上要归功于林-曼努尔的技艺 and a lot of that is rooted in Lin-Manuel's skill.
林-曼努尔·米兰达的超凡魅力 The incredible charisma of Lin-Manuel Miranda,
是我们首先看到 that was the first time we had seen that
在音乐剧里 coming through in a musical
由演出它的人写就的 written by the person who was playing it.
需要注意的是 在《身在高地》 It's important to note that both in "In the Heights"
同时也尤其是在《汉密尔顿》中 and especially in "Hamilton",
很多内容都是作者 a lot of it was written by the author
为自己表演打造的 for himself to perform,
知道他能做什么 这非常罕见 knowing what he can do. It is extremely rare.
《身在高地》获得了巨大的成功 奠定了米兰达的地位 "In the Heights" proved a spectacular success, and established Miranda
作为音乐剧的新主力 as a major new voice in musical theater.
该剧获得了13项托尼奖提名 The play was nominated for thirteen Tony awards,
获得最佳音乐剧 最佳原创配乐 winning for Best Musical, Best Original Score,
最佳编舞和最佳编曲 Best Choreography and Best Orchestrations
同时还获得了格莱美最佳音乐剧奖 as well as picking up a Grammy award for Best Musical
还有普利策戏剧奖提名 and a nomination for the Pulitzer Prize for Drama.
是的！我的意思是… Yes! I mean...
我期待它 因为…我不知道 I expected it because... I don't know.
如果你想要实现梦想 你必须要有远大的梦想 You gotta to think, dream big if you're gonna get there.
但我期待的是同样的水平 But I expected it on the same level
就像你三岁就想成为绝地武士一样 as you expect to become a Jedi knight when you're three
你也看过《星球大战：绝地归来》 and you've seen "Return of the Jedi".
我从来不知道它会成真 I never knew it would come true.
所以我感到很幸福 很高兴来到这里 So I feel so blessed and happy to be here
带着这个剧 我的心血之作 with this show that's been a real labor of love...
耗时八年 ...for eight years.
《身在高地》在百老汇开演 A few months after "In the Heights" opened
几个月后 on Broadway,
林-曼努尔·米兰达阅读了历史学家 罗恩·彻诺 所写的传记 Lin-Manuel read historian Ron Chernow's biography
《汉密尔顿传》 of Alexander Hamilton.
回头看来 这是件改变人生的事件 It proved to be a life-changing event.
作为一个一个不太出名的开国元勋 One of the more obscure founding fathers
很少有美国人对汉密尔顿了解多少 few Americans would know much about Hamilton,
除了他的头像还出现在10美元钞票上 other than that his face appears on the ten dollar bill.
但是米兰达被他的故事迷住了 But Miranda was fascinated by his story
开始设想一个新的计划： and began to imagine a new project:
一部基于亚历山大·汉密尔顿生平的音乐剧 a musical based around the life of Alexander Hamilton.
亚历山大·汉密尔顿可能是其中除了总统外 Alexander Hamilton was probably the most important person
最重要的参与了美国革命的人 of the American Revolution who was not President.
亚历山大·汉密尔顿出生在 Alexander Hamilton was born
西印度群岛 是一个私生子 out of wedlock in the West Indies.
他14岁时就成了孤儿 He is an orphan by the time he's 14 years old.
他挣扎着 他很幸运 He struggled. He was very fortunate
让一些人成为他的支持者 to have some people who became his supporters,
他的赞助者 让他来到了纽约 his benefactor and that's how he ended up in New York.
他年轻时就知道贫穷 他已经亲眼所见 As a young man he knew poverty. He had seen it.
他已经经历过了 这真的改变了他的人生 He had experienced it. That really shaped his life.
汉密尔顿的早年生活 Hamilton's early life took place
在美国历史上最关键的时期 during the most critical period in American history.
当他还是个学生的时候 革命战争就爆发了 The Revolutionary War broke out while he was still a student,
年轻的汉密尔顿完完整整地参与了 and the young Hamilton took a full part
当时的政治动荡 in the political turbulence of the time,
冉冉升起 成为在美国独立的时候 rising to become one of the most important figures
最重要的人物之一 in the birth of American Independence.
亚历山大·汉密尔顿开始写作 Alexander Hamilton started writing
来支持革命 in support of the revolution
当时 他还是个年轻的学生 when he was just a young student.
他在军队里很活跃 He was very active in the military,
他成了乔治·华盛顿的亲信 he became a close confident of George Washington.
他参与了制宪会议 He was at the constitutional convention.
他起了重要作用 He was instrumental
让纽约批准宪法 in getting New York to ratify the constitution.
后来 他成为了首任财政部长 Then, he became the first secretary of the treasury,
让美国拥有真正坚实的金融基础 putting the United States on really sound financial footing.
他对美国有一个愿景 He had a vision for America
是成为重要工业力量和军事力量之一 that was one of industrial power and military might
这和其他一些国父 that was a huge contrast
形成了鲜明的对比 to some of the other founding fathers
像杰弗逊和麦迪逊 like Jefferson and Madison,
认为我们是一个农业社会 who saw us as an agrarian society
拥有庞大的中产阶级 with a large middle class
上层和下层阶级只是边缘社群 and just fringe elements on the upper and lower classes.
事实是 他的远见卓识占了上风 The fact that it was his vision that prevailed
就是人们今天会怎么看待它 is what people will look at it today
这就引向了一些人可能会看到 that points to what some might consider
美国的伟大 不管它是不是真的 the greatness of America, whether it truly is or not.
所以我认为这就是他的重要性 So I would suggest that's his significance.
我们拥有的金融机构和经济 The financial institutions and the economy that we have
都是基于他的原则 而且真的就他一人 are all based on his principles, and really his alone.
亚历山大·汉密尔顿是一个真正的资本家 Alexander Hamilton was a true capitalist,
一个真正的资本家 认为 a true capitalist who believed
自由贸易对国家最有利 that free trade was best for the country,
对商人来说是最好的 was best for merchants in the end,
而且最终对客户来说是最好的 and was best for customers in the end.
它会降低价格 It would lower prices,
它将生产出更好的产品 it would produce better products.
与此同时 At the same time,
他不会承认我们今天的制度 he would not recognize the system we have today.
他当然不支持 He was certainly not a supporter
政府支持普通民众 of government supporting ordinary people.
但在18世纪没有人这样做 But no one in the 18th century was.
受罗恩·彻诺所著的传记启发 Inspired by Ron Chernow's biography,
米兰达开始围绕汉密尔顿的生活 Miranda started to write material
撰写素材 around Hamilton's life
这将最终形成一部戏的基础 that would eventually form the basis of a show.
他称之为“汉密尔顿混音带” He called it "The Hamilton Mixtape".
他生命中的一切都足以构成一个伟大的故事 He has everything in his life that makes for a great story,
写成一部伟大的音乐剧 that makes for a great musical
在很多层面 这可能是令人惊讶的 and in many ways it's perhaps surprising
因为直到21世纪 that it took until the 21st century
我们才有一部剧 that we have a play based
关于亚历山大·汉密尔顿 on the life of Alexander Hamilton,
我觉得林-曼努尔的决定有点令人惊讶 I think it's kind of surprising that Lin-Manuel decided
做一部完整的音乐剧 to do an entire musical
基于亚历山大·汉密尔顿的生平 based on the life of Alexander Hamilton,
尤其是他之前写了《身在高地》 especially having done "In the Heights" previously.
我不知道你们读了 I don't know if you read
亚历山大·汉密尔顿的传记 the biography of Alexander Hamilton and think,
会不会想“哇 这可以成为一部很好的嘻哈音乐剧” "Wow, this would make a really good hip-hop musical."
这是对原始材料的一个新奇选择 It's a curious choice of source material
但与此同时 林-曼努尔显然在亚历山大·汉密尔顿的传记中 but at the same time it's clear that Lin-Manuel saw elements
看到了一些元素 in the biography of Alexander Hamilton
他可以用来创作一个故事 that he could use to craft a story
关于美国精神的本质 about the nature of the American character
以及他想要讲述的美国梦 and the American dream that he wanted to tell.
当然 林-曼努尔通过嘻哈音乐所关注的 What Lin-Manuel seems to focus on through hip-hop, of course,
是一个白手起家的人的故事 is the story of a self-made man,
实际上这人年轻饥渴 somebody young and hungry in fact -
这是其中一段主要的歌词 that's one of the main lyrics -
他来到美国开始新的生活 and comes to the United States to start a new life
最终上升到巅峰 and ends up rising to heights
他自己也猜不到 he himself could never have guessed.
这就是这部戏的激励作用和动力 That's the aspirational impact and drive of the play.
林-曼努尔对《汉密尔顿》的设想 Lin-Manuel's vision for "Hamilton"
是讲故事 was to tell the story
通过嘻哈音乐来纪念开国元勋 of a founding father through hip-hop.
这是一个激进的想法 符合历史叙述 It was a radical idea, matching historical narrative
同时用不同种族的演员和说唱音乐 with an ethnically diverse cast and rap music.
这对百老汇来说是全新的 And it would be something completely new for Broadway,
在2008年 百老汇已经准备好了改头换面 which in 2008, was ready for a shake-up.
在六十年代末七十年代初 Broadway went through a difficult period
百老汇经历了艰难时刻 in the late 60s and into the 70s.
纽约市要破产了 New York City was going bankrupt.
时代广场很危险 Times Square was dangerous.
1975根本就没有什么"狮子王" There was no such thing as a "Lion King"
或者家庭秀 or a family show in 1975.
和当时纽约市的许多其他企业一样 And like many other businesses in New York City at that time,
百老汇不能离开纽约 Broadway could not leave New York.
百老汇要去哪里?新泽西?不 Where's Broadway going to go? New Jersey? No.
百老汇必须生存下去 Broadway had to survive.
它知道的唯一生存方式是 The only way it knew how to survive was
找到年轻有创造力的人 it found young, creative people,
那个时代的林-曼努尔·米兰达 the Lin-Manuel Mirandas of their day to back
来创造突然吸引人们的剧 who created shows that suddenly became attractions
让人们想看的剧 that people wanted to see.
如果你回到四年前 So if you go back four years ago,
70年代早期的林-曼努尔·米兰达 the Lin-Manuel Miranda of the early 70s
是个叫迈克尔·班尼特的人 was a guy named Michael Bennett,
他是编舞 他有写一部关于百老汇剧的群演的舞者的 who was a choreographer, who had this dream of a show
音乐剧的梦想 about the dancers in the chorus of a Broadway show,
我们称他们为吉普赛人 the gypsies we called them.
以此为基础 他创作了一部名为《歌舞线上》的剧 From that he fashioned a show called "A Chorus Line",
这就是当时的《汉密尔顿》 which was the "Hamilton" of its day.
当它在时代广场的百老汇 When that opened on Broadway in Times Square
舒伯特剧院上演 at the Schubert Theater,
突然间 这家垂死的公司 suddenly this business that had been moribund
又有了生命 had life in it again.
到了80年代 这要感谢英国 Then in the 80s, and we have the British to thank for this,
卡梅隆·麦金托什和安德鲁·劳埃德·韦伯 Cameron Mackintosh and Andrew Lloyd Webber
想出了这个完全可笑的想法来创造 came along with this completely cockamamie idea for a musical
关于猫的儿童诗歌的音乐剧 about children's poems about cats.
那变成了百老汇历史上 That turned into the most successful show
最成功的剧 in the history of Broadway
为这个行业和纽约市赚了很多钱 and made so much money for this industry and New York City
它开始提升百老汇 that it began to lift the fortunes of Broadway,
时代广场和纽约市的财富 Times Square and New York City.
当你有了像《悲惨世界》 Then when you start to have things like "Les Miserables"
《歌剧魅影》和《西贡小姐》这样的作品 and "The Phantom of the Opera" and "Miss Saigon",
百老汇就不再是娱乐行业中 you have a Broadway that is no longer the backwater
一潭死水 of the entertainment industry,
而是一个赚了数十亿美元的生意 but a business that is literally making billions of dollars
通过在全球各地巡演的剧 on these shows that travel all over the world.
在《汉密尔顿》成形的时候 By the time "Hamilton" was being developed,
美国音乐剧行业处于混乱状态 the American musical theater was in an amorphous
几乎是病态的 and almost morbid state
不确定它会成为什么 of uncertainty about what it could be.
有很多尝试 There were lots of attempts
为音乐剧寻找新的血液 to find new voices for the musical.
你不能太严肃 You couldn't be too flat out serious.
这会是沉闷的 That was dreary.
你当然不能太高兴 也不能太守旧 You certainly couldn't be too cheerful and old-fashioned
因为人们会睡着 because people would snore.
你不能让带面具的幽灵出现 You couldn't have phantoms with masks
用他们的美声唱歌 singing at the top of their lungs.
有很多事情你不能再做了 There were just a lot of things you couldn't do anymore
但你却不清楚自己能做什么 and yet not a clear idea of what you could do.
2008年 当《身在高地》在百老汇上演时 In 2008, when "In the Heights" appeared on Broadway,
很多其他的 a lot of the other shows of the time
倾向是点唱机音乐剧 tended to be jukebox musicals.
这指的是那些 By that I mean musicals that would take
用流行歌手或乐队现有的歌曲 an existing song catalogue by a pop artist or band
创造一个原创的戏剧故事 then create an original dramatic narrative
而围绕现有歌单的音乐剧 around that song catalogue.
我想到了《泽西男孩》 I'm thinking of "Jersey Boys" which celebrated the music
用了弗兰基·瓦利和四季的音乐 of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons.
《妈妈咪呀》用了Abba乐队音乐的歌曲 "Mamma Mia" which celebrated the music of Abba.
百老汇开始依靠点唱机音乐剧 Broadway started to rely on jukebox musicals
因为它们是确定无疑的 because they were a sure thing.
那时的百老汇 At a moment when Broadway
不能承担艺术风险吗 is not able to take the artistic risks
它在过去的鼎盛时期可能是这样的 that it might have in the past, in the heyday
在迈克尔·班尼特这样的人的时期 of work by people like Michael Bennett,
我认为点唱机音乐剧为百老汇社群 I think jukebox musicals provided a safe alternative
提供了一种安全的选择 for the Broadway community.
人们肯定会去看这些音乐剧的 People were definitely going to come to these musicals
因为他们已经知道这种音乐了 because they already knew the music
因此 他们立即买票 so there was an immediate buy-in.
然后你就可以用故事来包装音乐 Then you would just wrap a story around the music.
就是在这个时刻 This is the moment in which
林-曼努尔·米兰达正在创造《汉密尔顿》 Lin-Manuel Miranda is developing "Hamilton",
关于现在的音乐剧能是什么样子 in which there's no consensus
这点没有共识 about what musicals can be now
但是很多人都认识到它们不能成为什么 but a lot of consensus about what they can't be.
当然也不言而喻 新的声音 with certainly an understanding that new voices,
没有出现在舞台上的新角色 new characters who have not been seen on stage
需要被认真对待 treated seriously need to be part of the story.
随着剧形成 As the show developed
业内人士开始散布传言 industry insiders started to circulate rumors
关于一部令人兴奋的 about an exciting new musical
基于亚历山大·汉密尔顿的生平的新音乐剧 based on the life of Alexander Hamilton,
2009年5月 公众第一次看到了它 and in May 2009 the public got their first look.
林-曼努尔出现在 Lin-Manuel appeared in
白宫的 an evening of "Poetry, "Music and the Spoken Word"
“诗歌 音乐和语言之夜” at The White House
并在总统和第一夫人面前 and performed some of the material
表演了 from "The Hamilton Mixtape"
摘自《汉密尔顿混音带》的一段 in front of The President and the First Lady.
这是一部概念专辑 关于我认为体现了嘻哈音乐的 It's a concept album about the life of someone
某人的生平 I think embodies hip-hop,
他是财政部长亚历山大·汉密尔顿 Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton.
一个私生子 孤儿 妓女的儿子 How does a bastard, orphan, son of a whore
一个苏格兰人 被天意遗落在 And a Scotsman, dropped
加勒比海一个被遗忘的角落 In the middle of a forgotten spot
穷困潦倒 举步维艰 In the Caribbean by providence impoverished,
怎么竟成长为一个英雄 In squalor, grow up to be a hero
和一个学者 And a scholar?
10美元上的国父 The ten-dollar founding father
却没有父亲 Without a father
通过远超人努力的工作 远超人的智慧 Got a lot farther by working a lot harder
白手起家 到远超人的高度 By being a lot smarter By being a self-starter
14岁时 他们让他管理 By fourteen, they placed him
一个财务部门 In charge of a trading charter...
最初的反应 The initial reaction
对这个想法持怀疑态度 to the idea was skeptical.
我是说 关于开国元勋的嘻哈音乐 I mean, a hip-hop musical about the founding fathers,
都是由黑人和西班牙人扮演 and all played by black and Hispanic people,
没有白人 no white people,
有点奇怪 a little strange.
但是有一个工作室 But there was a workshop,
对林的朋友来说非常私密 very private for friends of Lin's,
节目的赞助者 the backers of the show.
我在那里碰巧有几个间谍 I happened to have a few spies there.
我听说人们对此印象深刻 I heard that people were really impressed.
他们认为这些歌棒极了 They thought the songs were terrific.
他创造了这些引人注目的人物 He's created these compelling characters
在开国元勋身上 in the founding fathers.
它没有古板或历史的感觉 It doesn't feel starchy or historical.
感觉当代 感觉重要 It feels contemporary. It feels vital.
它具有巨大的戏剧张力和活力 It has tremendous theatricality and energy.
这时我开始听到 That's when I begin hearing,
“你应该关注这个剧” "You should keep your eye on this show."
林-曼努尔·米兰达当时在剧院行业很有名 Lin-Manuel Miranda was known in the theater back then,
但不是…在世界上 but not to the... world at large.
很可能是奥巴马对《汉密尔顿》的认可 It was probably the Obamas' endorsement of "Hamilton"
这使得它成为今天的现象级 that made it into the phenomenon that it is today.
但在白宫真正的脱颖而出 But the real standout from the White House show
在于《汉密尔顿混音带》 was that "The Hamilton Mixtape" was,
顾名思义 都是关于嘻哈的 as its name suggested, all about hip-hop.
林-曼努尔站在那里 When Lin-Manuel stood rapping
在总统前面唱嘻哈 in front of the President,
观察者们很清楚他的计划 it was clear to observers that he was planning
是试图在别人失败的地方取得成功 to try and succeed where others had failed,
让嘻哈音乐在百老汇大红大紫 and make hip-hop a hit on Broadway.
好了 打起节拍吧 All right, drop the beat.
他在蹦出一些话 He's throwing up some words
我要来点即兴 I'm getting to say some free-styling
你从没听说过的宪法 That you never heard Constitution
总统先生 我在即兴讲话 你知道的 The POTUS, I'm freestyling, You know this
奥巴马医改 好吧 我看看现在 Obamacare, okay I'm looking up the present
在你实行这一制度之前毫无希望 Was hopeless before You enacted that system
《联邦党人文集》 The Federalist Papers
汉密尔顿写了另外51篇更伟大的 Hamilton wrote the other 51 and greater
还有Sunny和Bo 他的狗 And Sunny and Bo, his canine
这太疯狂了 我的天啊… It's insane asinine, oh my gosh...
我们在讲述一个故事 We're telling a story
所以这是一部音乐剧 of music on stage so it's a musical.
这是音乐剧音乐的唯一定义 That's the only definition of musical theater music:
通过音乐在舞台上讲故事 telling a story on stage through music.
其他的 由你来制定规则 Everything else, it's up to you to write the rules.
对我来说 乐趣在于最初的灵感是什么 For me, the fun was if that initial inspiration was
汉密尔顿是一个独特的嘻哈角色 Hamilton is a singularly hip-hop character,
你不能用任何其他音乐类型来讲述他的故事 you can't tell his story in any other musical genre.
[西班牙语]因为用了更多的单词 Porque usas más palabras
他说的话比其他国父都多 He uses more words than any of the other founders.
他留下的文字比其他国父都多 He leaves behind more writing than any of the other founders.
如果你要演成歌剧 那得花一整天的时间 If you did an opera, it would be a day long.
你需要嘻哈音乐 因为它单位上有更多的单词 You need hip-hop because it has more words per measure
比其他任何类型的音乐都多 than any other genre of music.
它也有从虚无中凭空创造的能量 It also has that energy of making something out of nothing,
把你的故事写得这么恰当 of writing so well about your circumstances
你驾驭了它们 that you transcend them.
历史上有过很多尝试 There've been many attempts historically
试图将嘻哈音乐融入 to try to incorporate hip-hop
尤其是音乐剧中 into musical theater in particular.
我想在90年代 I'm thinking in the 1990s of
《踢踏春秋》 "Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk"
乔治·沃尔夫导演的这部剧 the George C. Wolfe directed show
由格萨维恩·洛弗主演 that starred Savion Glover.
那是踢踏舞 放克和嘻哈的混合 It was a mix of tap and funk and hip-hop.
这在当时是相当成功的 That was quite successful in its time.
但我认为一般来说 嘻哈是一种 But I think generally speaking, hip-hop as a form
追求一种真实性的形式 that pursues a kind of authenticity
这和街头信誉有很大关系 that is very much related to street credibility,
这是发源于蓝调音乐的 that is very much rooted in the blues
你生活在哪里 你歌唱的生活 where you live the life that you sing about in your song
或者你在歌曲中说唱的东西 or that you rap about in your song.
这里有一种互相拮抗 There's a way in which that rubs up against
而在音乐剧中 the kind of expressive inauthenticity
显现出的不自然表达 of musical theater.
在融合嘻哈音乐和戏剧方面 There've been attempts
有过尝试 at blending hip-hop and theater,
无论是茅斯·达夫在《强者/弱者》中【普策利奖戏剧】 whether it was Mos Def being in "Topdog/Underdog".
还是吹牛老爹在《阳光下的葡萄干》中扮演重要角色 Puff Daddy had a major role in "A Raisin in the Sun".
甚至像图帕克的表演（著名说唱诗人）【以上都指黑人戏剧】 Even like the Tupac play.
接下来《汉密尔顿》来了 Then here comes "Hamilton"
这就像是一夜之间的成功 and it's something where it's like all overnight success
或者有点像这个大天才和成功者 or sort of like this big talent and success
来自别人铺好的路 comes from a road that was paved by other people.
从嘻哈音乐的神坛中 To take some of the dominant themes
取一些主要的主题 与弱者有关 in the mythology of hip-hop, having to do with underdogs
成为文化的主流的 rising to the mainstream of culture -
学习并应用其中的这些主题 to take some of those themes and apply them
对历史复述 to the retelling of history.
我认为这是一种非常有力的行为 I think that's really powerful as a gesture.
当然还有亚历山大·汉密尔顿卷入的 And of course all of the beefs and fights
在他漫长的职业生涯中 that Alexander Hamilton got into
所有冲突和争吵 over the course of his long career
与嘻哈音乐中的冲突和争吵相得益彰 run parallel to beefs and fights in hip-hop
这是这种形式本身的一部分 which are part of the nature of the form itself.
嘻哈音乐在《汉密尔顿》中的成功在于 The success of hip-hop in "Hamilton" is the fact that
在嘻哈音乐中任何片段 in any one minute passage of a song in hip-hop
你会有比传统音乐中 you will have 4 to 10 times more words
多四到十倍的词 than you would in a traditional song.
所以他有能力在演出的任何时刻 So he has the ability to provide 4 to 10 times more information
提供4到10倍的信息 in any moment of the show.
这也是这部剧如此吸引人的部分原因 It's part of why the show is so overwhelming.
你会得到大量的信息 You're being given a ton of information
每时每刻 它都不会停止 at all times and it doesn't ever let up.
一旦我认定汉密尔顿是一个独特的嘻哈人物 Once I decided Hamilton is a singularly hip-hop figure,
这是来自我第一次读这本书的时候 and this is all from my first reading the book,
我说 “那他听起来怎么样?” I go,"So what does he sounds like?"
这就是创作的方式 That's how you build the score.
所以他不会 他会成为我心目中的英雄 So he's not going to be... He's gonna be like my heroes.
如果需要的话 他会把6个音节押韵在一行上 He's gonna rhyme 6 syllables on a line if he needs to.
他会是Rakim的儿子 Eminem的儿子 He's gonna be the son of Rakim, the son of Eminem,
- Big Pun的儿子【都是说唱歌手】 - the son of Big Pun
他的嘻哈歌词是我一直最喜欢的 who has one of my favorite hip-hop lyrics of all time...
死在小意大利的中央 Dead in the middle of Little Italy
我们几乎不知道我们把两个中间人弄得稀里糊涂的 Little did we know That we riddled two middlemen
谁没有做… Who didn't do diddly...
这些是让你立刻倒带回去的作词者 Lyricists that make you rewind them instantly
因为你不相信 because you can't believe
一行有多少押韵 how many rhymes have happened on a line.
这些都是我爱的人 我总是回放他们的音乐 Those are the ones that I love and that I keep coming back to,
Big Pun对我来说很重要 and Big Pun was a big one of those for me.
所以我花了一年的时间来写"My Shot" So it took me a year to write "My Shot"
因为“My Shot”主要是以汉密尔顿的声音 because "My Shot" is mostly in Hamilton's voice
我希望它有那些“Big Pun”式的句子 and I wanted it to have those 'Big Pun-ish' lines
每个音节都填满了 where every syllable is filled,
每次至少有四个音节的韵脚 所以它是… making at least a 4 syllable rhyme every time. So it's...
“我是一块未加工的钻石…” 'm a diamond in the rough...
这是一句Big Pun歌词 Which is a Big Pun lyric.
一颗闪亮的煤块 尝试达到我的目标 A shiny piece of coal Tryi' to reach my goal
我的演说:无可指责 My power of speech: unimpeachable
我只有十九岁 但我的头脑更成熟 Only nineteen but my mind is older
这是一句 Mobb Deep 式歌词 Which is a Mobb Deep lyric.
纽约城的街道越来越冷了 我抗下 These New York City streets get colder, I shoulder
每个负担每个困难 E'ry burden, e'ry disadvantage
我已经学会了如何对付 我没有枪可以挥舞 我走在这些街道上饥肠辘辘 I have learned to manage I do't have a gun to brandish I walk these streets famished
我的计划是让这火花铺天盖地 但该死 天黑了 The plan is to fan this spark into a flame But damn, it's getting dark
所以让我把名字一吐为快… So let me spell out the name...
即使是这旋律的尽头 So even the end of the line
也与下一行的开头照应 agrees with the beginning of the next line.
所以它们必须互相紧跟 So they have to follow each other,
拧成最有力的一股 as strung together as the best thick rope.
那么其他人听上去是怎样的呢? So what does everyone else sound like?
所以我在读关于乔治·华盛顿的书 So I'm reading about George Washington
我读到他逃离纽约 and I'm reading about him fleeing New York
他就是道德权威 and it's this moral authority.
他是我们唯一的老将 He's the only veteran we have.
所以这韵律遵循非常严格的规章 So it's this very regimented,
它和军事思想一样严格规整 这是… it's as regimented as military thinking is. It's...
“我能说实话吗?仅仅一毫秒? Can I be real a second? For just a millisecond?
放下我的警惕 告诉人们…” Let down my guard and tell the people...
完全没有切分音 There's no syncopation in it at all.
它铿-铿-铿-铿... It's can-can-can-can...
他是个军人 他喜欢军人的韵律 He's a military man. He likes a military rhyme.
托马斯·杰斐逊 Thomas Jefferson.
托马斯·杰斐逊错过了战争的大部分时光 Thomas Jefferson misses most of the war,
但他写了我们的建国文件 but he writes our founding documents.
他写了独立宣言 He writes the declaration of independence.
但他刚在法国浪了一段时间 But he's just been chilling in France.
所以我把他描绘成爵士乐 嘻哈前的过渡 So I cast him as the jazz that leads to hip-hop.
所以我听了很多Lambert, Hendricks和Ross的歌 So I listened to a lot of Lambert, Hendricks & Ross.
我听了很多吉尔·斯科特·赫伦的歌 I listened to a lot of Gil Scott Heron.
我听的是爵士乐 如果你把节拍加进去 I listened to the jazz that if you put a beat under it
它会变得嘻哈 但它是爵士乐 it would be hip-hop, but it's jazz.
这很酷 It was cool.
从音流到韵律 From the flow, into the cadence,
进入他们打节拍的方式 into the way they were dropping on the beat.
如此这般《汉密尔顿》的原声专辑收录这些歌 So much so that the soundtrack to "Hamilton" charted.
人们会说 People would say,
“我爱《汉密尔顿》 你去看演出了吗?” "I was into 'Hamilton'. Did you go to the show?"
“没有 但我听了原声带” "Nah, but I listened to that soundtrack."
尤其是当你想到这些时 Especially when you think about those
没有买到演出的票的人 who couldn't get tickets to the show.
他们可以听这张原声带来取代 Instead they had this soundtrack that they could go to
并见证音乐水平上的卓伦 and bear witness to the talent on an audio level.
林-曼努尔最终 Lin-Manuel eventually sent
把《汉密尔顿混音带》寄给了纽约公共剧院的艺术总监 a copy of "The Hamilton Mixtape" to Oskar Eustis,
奥斯卡·尤斯提斯 Artistic Director of New York's Public Theater.
剧院最初由左翼制片人 Originally founded by the left-wing producer
和导演乔·帕普创建 and director Joe Papp,
多年来 剧院已经建立了 over the years The Public had built a reputation
原创 挑战和前卫的声誉 for original, challenging and radical theater.
当奥斯卡·尤斯蒂斯听到林-曼努尔的录音带时 When Oskar Eustis heard Lin-Manuel's tape,
他立即提出 he immediately offered
向公众推广这个剧 to develop the show at The Public,
《汉密尔顿》有了它的第一个家 and Hamilton had its first home.
公共剧院由乔·帕普 The Public Theater was founded
在20世纪50年代创立 by Joe Papp in the 1950s
他相信莎士比亚和戏剧 and he believed that Shakespeare and theater
不应该专属于富人 should not just be for the rich.
它们应该同属于美国的穷人 They should be available to the poor
以及工人阶级 and the working classes of America.
这就是为什么他给他的剧院 That's why he called his theater
命名公共剧院 因为它是为“公众”服务的 The Public Theater because it's for 'The Public'.
公众剧院制作的一些音乐剧 Some of the musicals that The Public has produced
代表了音乐戏剧发展过程中 have represented real change points
真正的变化点 in the development of musical theater,
从最早的中的一部开始 starting with one of its earliest,
1968年《毛发》 "Hair", in 1968
它在市中心外百老汇问世 which began downtown Off-Broadway
然后搬到了百老汇 then moved into Broadway.
《歌舞线上》是它最著名的一部 "A Chorus Line" is the most famous one
在它之后的几十年 and has helped them produce serious non-musical plays
它帮助创作出学院派的非音乐戏剧 for decades ever since.
最近的剧 比如《悲喜交家》 And more recently a show like "Fun Home"
和《汉密尔顿》也是在那里制作的 and "Hamilton" have also been produced there.
林把录音带寄给了奥斯卡 Lin sent the tape to Oskar.
我肯定奥斯卡喜欢其中的一些曲调 I'm sure Oskar liked some of the tunes.
但是奥斯卡还没有看过剧本 But Oskar hadn't seen the script yet.
他不知道剧会是什么样子 He didn't know what the show was going to look like.
但他喜欢他听到的 But he liked what he heard
更重要的是 他喜欢林-曼努尔·米兰达 and more importantly he liked Lin-Manuel Miranda.
他相信林-曼努尔·米兰达 He believed that Lin-Manuel Miranda
是一个真正的艺术家 将会创造些什么出来 was a genuine artist who was going to create something
他想成为其中的一员 that he wanted to be part of.
这基本上是艺术总监的工作 That is fundamentally the job of the Artistic Director.
这正是乔·帕普出色的地方 It's what Joe Papp did brilliantly
也是奥斯卡的 and it's what Oskar does.
他们支持 They back the people
创作这些剧的人们 who are going to create the shows
我们以后会讲到 that we're one day going to be talking about.
在某种程度上 一个节目需要建立在核心观众之上 To the extent that a show needs to build from a core audience
延伸到更多的观众 to a larger audience,
用这种方式成立节目招牌是很有用的 人们会知道 it's useful to brand a show that way and people know,
“哦 那可能就是我喜欢的那种事情” "Oh, that's likely the kind of thing I'm going to enjoy."
事实是你在公共剧院开演 What happens though is you open at The Public Theater.
你已经有了这个节目的口碑了 You already have this buzz building about the show.
批评家们也来了 他们对它赞不绝口 You have the critics coming in. They rave about it.
一晚只有250个座位出售 You only have 250 seats to sell a night.
这个国家的每一位重要人物 相信我 Every VIP in this country, believe me,
都想来看这部剧 was trying to get into that show
这进一步激发了人们的议论 which just amped the buzz even further.
所以在这个小剧院里就产生了这种现象 So you have this phenomenon created in this tiny theater
它最终会火爆 that's going to have to explode eventually.
唯一能让它火爆的方法就是去百老汇 The only way it can explode is to go to Broadway
在那里一炮而红 and explode there.
《汉密尔顿》在公众剧院开演 Hamilton opened at The Public
在2015年2月大获好评 in February 2015 to huge acclaim.
评论家们对林-曼努尔·米兰达的远见交口称赞 Critics raved about Lin-Manuel Miranda's vision
这个亲切的的小礼堂里的一个座位 and a seat in the small, intimate auditorium
很快就成了城里最抢手的票 soon became the most sought-after ticket in town.
纽约的一位宣传人员求我去看 A publicist in New York was begging me to go see it.
他说 “真的很好” He was saying, "It's really good.
“它是嘻哈和美国历史” "It's like hip-hop and American history."
我说 “哦 天哪” I'm like, "Oh, man.
“就像百老汇真的搞嘻哈音乐一样”不了 谢谢 "Like Broadway does hip-hop." No, thank you.
最后 为了迎合这个人 我说 Finally, kind of to humor this guy, I said,
“我要明天的票” "I'd like tickets for tomorrow."
我被惊艳了! I was just knocked out!
这是我最没有料到的事 It was the last thing I expected.
对《汉密尔顿》的评论一发不可收拾 The reviews for "Hamilton" were off the hook.
这是我能想象到的评论最好的剧之一 It was one of the best reviewed shows I can imagine.
我一生中在美国戏剧界 There've been a few moments
有过那么几个时刻 in my lifetime in American theater
有些剧不只是剧 where there've been shows that are not just shows,
但它们是特定方向的文化运动 but they are cultural movements in a particular direction.
我认为《汉密尔顿》 I think "Hamilton" is one of those
就是美国剧院里令人难以置信的激动时刻之一 incredibly galvanizing moments in American theater
它广受好评 where it's critically acclaimed
这也是商业上的成功 and it's also... commercially successful.
以一首总结了他的童年的 Beginning with an opening song
开场曲开始 that summarizes his childhood,
《汉密尔顿》追溯亚历山大·汉密尔顿的生平 "Hamilton" traces the story of Alexander Hamilton's life,
从在加勒比海被当作孤儿抚养长大 from being raised as an orphan in the Caribbean
到1804年 through to his death in 1804
在对手亚伦·伯尔手中死去 at the hands of arch rival Aaron Burr.
在两幕中 Over its two acts,
该剧触及了汉密尔顿的个人生活 the play touches on Hamilton's personal life,
专业成就 政治理念 professional achievements, political ideas
以及他与其他著名历史人物的关系 and his relationship to other renowned historical figures,
有许多评论家评论它对美国开国元勋 with many critics commenting on its mature
有着成熟细致描述 and nuanced depiction of America's founding fathers.
对于剧中展示的汉密尔顿的生活的研究 The examination of Hamilton's life in the show concentrates
集中在关于他的移民和局外人身份 on his immigrant and outsider status.
他永远不可能当选总统 He could never be elected President
因为他不是在美国出生的 because he wasn't born in America.
他来自西印度群岛 He came from the West Indies.
他是一个能够成功的局外人 And he was an outsider who could make it
因为他创立了 because he was creating the establishment
会被国家采纳的体制 that he was going to make it in.
他在创造自己 He was inventing himself
同时也创造了整个国家 and the country at the same time.
当我们见到开国元勋时 Often when we are presented with the founding fathers,
要么是一种近乎宗教的方式 it's either in a very almost religious way
他们是圣人的万神殿 in which they're the kind of pantheon of saints,
或者相反 or it's the opposite.
你贬低这个 蓄奴的那个 You tear this one down. That one on slaves.
这个又由于这个或那个原因陷入指责 This one was problematic for this reason or that reason.
我想《汉密尔顿》 I think "Hamilton" presented
以三维的角度呈现这些角色 these characters in three-dimensional terms
以通俗现代的方式 and in recognizably contemporary terms
这就是我认为很多年轻人喜欢它的原因 which is why I think a lot of young people like it.
它提醒我们 这个国家差点没有团结起来 It reminds us that this country almost didn't come together.
美国有13个独立的殖民地 That there were thirteen independent colonies
不同的经济体 不同的世界观 that had different economies different world views
那些来自殖民地的人 and that the men from those colonies
把这个国家团结在一起 that came to put this country together
他们代表那些 represented those views
经常发生冲突的观点 that were often in conflict with each other.
没有人能保证他们会成功 There were no guarantees that they were going to succeed
建立美利坚合众国 in creating the United States of America.
但《汉密尔顿》最终展示了这一点 But "Hamilton" shows that in the end
他们克服了棘手的分歧 they rose above intractable disagreements,
和互相的仇恨 才能缔造一个国家 hatred for each other, to create a country.
在《汉密尔顿》中出现的历史人物中 Among the historical figures that appear in Hamilton
乔治·华盛顿 托马斯·杰斐逊 詹姆斯·麦迪逊 are George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison,
乔治三世和拉法耶特侯爵 King George III and the Marquis de Lafayette.
然而 鲜为人知的亚伦·伯尔 It is the lesser-known Aaron Burr, however,
才是舞台的中心人物 that takes center stage
作为美国前副总统 as the former Vice President of the United States
和《汉密尔顿》叙事中的关键人物 and key character in the "Hamilton" narrative.
我认为《汉密尔顿》的戏剧核心是 I think the dramatic core of "Hamilton" is
汉密尔顿和亚伦·伯尔的关系 the relationship of Hamilton to Aaron Burr.
这是一种有争议的关系 It was a contentious relationship.
他最初向亚伦·伯尔寻求指导 He went to Aaron Burr initially for mentorship.
他们有一段终生的关系 They had a lifelong relationship
然后亚伦·伯尔最后杀了他 and then Aaron Burr ended up killing him.
我认为这是整个剧的中心 I think that's the centerpiece of the entire show.
我认为这都是关于亚伦·伯尔的童年 I think it's all about Aaron Burr's childhood.
他很早就失去了母亲 He lost his mother very early on.
我认为这让亚伦·伯尔变成一个傲慢的人 I think that made Aaron Burr into an arrogant man,
一个没有安全感的人 一个终身都在寻找 an insecure man, and one who was looking for
父母形象 his parental figures all his life
却没有找到他们的人 and did not find them.
他的婚姻也不那么幸福 He was also not as happily married
不像亚历山大·汉密尔顿 as Alexander Hamilton was.
亚伦·伯尔和亚历山大·汉密尔顿 Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton met
在他们都是乔治·华盛顿的助手时见面了 while they were both aides to George Washington.
两人都是20出头 Both men were in their early 20s.
政治上他们有相似的观点 Politically they had similar views.
两人都是联邦党人 Both were federalists.
不过 他们个人并不喜欢对方 But nevertheless, they did not like each other personally.
在某些方面 他们太相似了 In some ways they were too similar.
伯尔甚至比汉密尔顿还傲慢 Burr was even more arrogant than Hamilton
不知怎么的 他们就是合不来 and somehow they just did not get along.
亚伦·伯尔和亚历山大·汉密尔顿之间的芥蒂 The bitterness between Aaron Burr
追溯到1791年 and Alexander Hamilton goes back to 1791
那时汉密尔顿的岳父菲利普·斯凯勒 when Hamilton's father-in-law, Philip Schuyler,
在参议院被亚伦·伯尔取代 was unseated in the Senate by Aaron Burr.
所以他很长一段时间都不理会亚伦·伯尔 So he didn't care for Aaron Burr for a long time.
然后在1800年 当选举团出现平局时 Then in 1800, when there was an electoral college tie,
汉密尔顿在幕后了解到 Hamilton worked behind the scenes to see that
伯尔和杰斐逊的关系破裂了 the tie between Burr and Jefferson was broken
杰斐逊成为了总统 with Jefferson becoming President.
尽管他不喜欢杰斐逊 Even though he didn't stomach Jefferson,
比起伯尔 他更喜欢他 he liked him better than Burr.
他真的称他为危险人物 He literally called him a dangerous man.
不应该被托付 whom the reins of government
来掌管政府 should not be entrusted to.
伯尔和汉密尔顿 我认为 Burr and Hamilton engaged in the, I would argue,
参与了18世纪末版本的嘻哈音乐 late 18th century version of hip-hop
也就是写文章 which is writing essays.
那是他们的文字战 That was their duel of words.
这种情况持续了很长时间 It had been going on for a long time.
那是当时的武器 That was the weapon of the day.
他们很聪明 他们使用假名 They were smart about it. They used pseudonyms.
他们没有使用真名 They didn't use their real names.
还有其他的报纸站在他们这边 They had other newspapers on their side.
这是一场文字战争 一场文字游戏 It was a war of words, a game of words.
两人之间的不和 The bad blood between the pair
最终得出了致命的结果 eventually reached its deadly conclusion
1804年夏天 in the summer of 1804
伯尔向汉密尔顿提出决斗 when Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel.
林-曼努尔的戏剧在戏剧性反复中达到高潮 Lin-Manuel's play culminates in the dramatic re-staging
黎明时分 在新泽西州的哈德逊河西岸 of pistols at dawn on the west bank
响起了枪声 of the Hudson river in New Jersey,
在那里 47岁的亚历山大·汉密尔顿被枪杀 where Alexander Hamilton was fatally shot, aged 47.
伯尔和汉密尔顿之间的决斗 The duel between Burr and Hamilton
是通讯中的高潮点 was a culmination of a correspondence
双方都不会让步 where neither would back down.
伯尔希望得到承认或否认 Burr wanted an acknowledgment or denial
他是不是说了他的坏话 that he had said despicable things about him.
汉密尔顿拒绝承认任何事情 Hamilton refused to acknowledge anything
除非他说得更具体 unless he was more specific.
它变成了一个僵局 It became a stalemate
变成了一场骄傲的战斗 to where it became a battle of pride.
当他说“我向你挑战决斗” When he said, "I challenge you to a duel,"
汉密尔顿同意了 Hamilton agreed.
汉密尔顿本可以简单地说 Hamilton could have ended it by simply saying,
“如果我说了什么冒犯你的话 "If I've said anything to offend you,
这是无意的”这样就行了 "it was unintentional." That would have done it.
汉密尔顿确实厌恶决斗 Hamilton did have an abhorrence for dueling.
他认为这是完全未开化的 He suggested it was completely uncivilized,
他反对这件事 但他的自尊心受到了威胁 he was against it, yet his pride was on the line.
汉密尔顿列出了一长串的利弊 Hamilton writes a long list of the pros and cons.
然后他坚持了 Then he proceeds.
我想他知道自己要死了 I think he knew he was going to die.
我认为伯尔没有像汉密尔顿那样对这个问题考虑得那么多 I don't think Burr gave it as much thought as Hamilton did.
我也认为汉密尔顿想打偏这一枪 I also think that Hamilton wanted to miss the shot.
伯尔没有 Burr did not.
当时的传统是 当你开第一枪时 The tradition at the time was when you fire your first shot,
如果你想表达“我不打算打死你” if your message is, "I don't intend to fire you,"
你直接射向地面 you shoot directly into the ground.
大家都说 汉密尔顿可能是意外开枪 Hamilton, by all accounts, may have fired accidentally.
他射向空中 He shot into the air
子弹落到了伯尔身后一棵树里 and it went into a tree behind Burr.
他转身朝汉密尔顿开枪 He turned around and shot Hamilton.
也有可能 It's also possible
他并不是要打汉密尔顿 he wasn't trying to hit Hamilton.
他也可能有意射偏 It's possible he likewise was intending to miss.
但是当时的手枪 But pistols back then
经常偏离他们的目标 oftentimes went far off from their targets.
出了他们在哈德逊河岸 As well as their deadly encounter
致命的遭遇之外 on the banks of Hudson,
该剧描述了伯尔拒绝协助汉密尔顿 the play depicts Burr's refusal to assist Hamilton
起草《联邦党人文集》 in the drafting of the Federalist Papers,
并向大众介绍了 and introduces the audience to some of the central ideas
汉密尔顿的政治哲学中一些中心思想 in Hamilton's political philosophy.
《联邦党人文集》是一系列文章 The Federalist Papers are a series of essays
这是亚历山大·汉密尔顿和詹姆斯·麦迪逊共同 that Alexander Hamilton and James Madison wrote together
为了说服美国人批准宪法起草的 to persuade Americans to ratify the constitution,
为了理解宪法 to understand the constitution,
为了理解为什么需要权力分立 to understand why there needed to be a separation of powers,
为什么共和国是唯一的出路 why a republic was the only way
一个不是君主制的国家也能生存下来 a country could survive that would not be a monarchy,
为什么我们需要一个大众参选的众议院 why we needed a house of representatives
但为什么我们还需要 that was popularly elected, but why we also needed senators,
至少在那个时候 who would at that point at least,
不被大众选举的参议员 not be popularly elected,
为什么我们需要一个独立的司法系统 why we needed to have an independent judiciary,
为什么我们需要一个权力有限的主管 why we needed to have a limited executive,
为什么我们需要一个财政部 why we needed to have a treasury,
为什么我们最终需要一个权利法案 why we needed to have a bill of rights eventually.
当你真正思考那个时代的时候 When you really think about that era and consider that
想想我们这个时代最伟大的思想家 some of the greatest minds of our time
碰巧还都活着 在同一个房间里 happened to be alive and in the same room
让这些事情发生 是一个引人注目的故事 to make these things happen is a compelling story
而汉密尔顿本人就是一个有远见的人 and Hamilton himself was the visionary
他的工业文化观念 whose idea of an industrial culture
和把一个国家变成超级大国 and turning a country into a superpower
是前卫的视野 was the vision that prevailed.
这使他更加迷人 It makes him all the more fascinating
这是一种使我们能够 and it's a format that enables us
看到他周围的人 to see the other people around him
以及这是如何实现的方式 and how this was possible.
这个主题在剧中得到了进一步的说明 This theme is further illustrated in the show
通过汉密尔顿 by Hamilton's relationship
和托马斯·杰斐逊和詹姆斯·麦迪逊的关系 with both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison,
这两人由戴维德·迪格斯和奥基里特·奥诺多瓦扮演 played by Daveed Diggs and Okieriete Onaodowan,
其中道出了三人之间为了美国的未来 which sets out the competing visions that the trio had
相互竞争的关系 for the future of the USA.
汉密尔顿与杰斐逊和麦迪逊的关系 Hamilton's relationship to Jefferson and Madison
是同代的 was one of contemporaries.
他们一开始都是联邦党人 They all started out as federalists,
相信中央政府 believed in a central government
但在中央政府应该多强大方面 but diverged in terms of how strong
存在分歧 that central government should be
如果存在个人仇恨 If there was personal animosity,
这是基于他们的政治意识形态 it was grounded in their political ideologies.
他们在汉密尔顿坚持建立国家银行这点 Where they drifted apart the most
分歧最大 was in Hamilton's insistence on a national bank
并将自己与巨额利益捆绑在一起 and tying ourselves to big money interests,
麦迪逊和杰斐逊的信仰 where Madison and Jefferson sincerely believed
是我们应该是一个农业社会 that we should be an agrarian society
而且不受欧洲银行的束缚 and not be tied to European banks.
麦迪逊和杰斐逊都相信 Madison and Jefferson both believed
从东到西安定国家 that it would take a thousand years
需要一千年的时间 to settle this country east to west.
我认为汉密尔顿在某处某种程度上理解了 I think Hamilton understood somewhere somehow
它会比这个快得多 that it was going to be much faster than this
而且国家需要做好准备 and that the country needed to make preparations
为了发展 为了增加商业 for growing, for increased commerce,
加强与其他国家的竞争 for increased competition with other countries
以及与其他国家建交 and for treaties with other countries.
最后 音乐剧探索 Finally, the musical explores
汉密尔顿的个人生活 Hamilton's personal life,
1780年他与富有的伊丽莎白·斯凯勒结婚 his marriage to the wealthy Elizabeth Schuyler in 1780,
他和玛丽亚·雷诺兹的婚外情 his extra-marital affair with Maria Reynolds
和他的长子菲利普 and the tragic death of his eldest son Phillip,
在命运的残酷预言中 who is fatally wounded in a duel,
在决斗中受了致命伤不幸去世 in a grim foretelling of the fate
这就是后来亚历山大的遭遇 that would later befall Alexander.
然而 伊丽莎白·斯凯勒才是叙述汉密尔顿的故事中 It is Elizabeth Schuyler, however, who takes center stage
中心的角色 in the Hamilton narrative
她在剧一开始就出场了 and she is introduced early on in the show
伴随着积极欢快的“斯凯勒姐妹”一曲 with the upbeat, celebratory number "The Schuyler Sisters".
工作 工作!——安吉莉卡! - Work, work! - Angelica!
工作 工作!——伊莱莎! - Work, work! - Eliza!
——和佩吉!工作 工作! - And Peggy! - Work, work!
-斯凯勒姐妹!——安吉莉卡! - The Schuyler sisters! - Angelica!
-佩吉!——伊丽莎! - Peggy! - Eliza!
工作! Work!
爸爸说要在日落前回家 Daddy said to be home by sundown
爸爸不需要知道 Daddy doesn't need to know
爸爸说不要进城 Daddy said not to go downtown
就像我说过的 你随时可以走 Like I said, you're free to go
但是 看看周围 看看周围 But - look around, look around
革命正在纽约酝酿 The Revolution's happening in New York
-纽约 -安吉莉卡 - New York - Angelica
他长得很帅 会玩弄笔墨 很会说话 He was really good-looking, a great writer, a good talker
而且显然很迷人 and very charming, apparently
他最终娶了伊莱莎为妻 who met in the woman he ended up marrying, Eliza,
就是他大约一年 一年半以前 the exact woman that he had described
描述的女人 about a year, year and a half earlier.
她是个了不起的女人 She was this amazing woman
她全心全意爱他 who couldn't have loved him any more.
我觉得 I think it's very appropriate
音乐剧以她开始 以她结束很合适 that the musical begins with her and ends with her.
在对亚历山大·汉密尔顿的生平 In its 'warts and all' depiction
毫无保留的呈现中 of Alexander Hamilton's life,
这出戏对开国元勋们 the play presents a three-dimensional view
呈现出三维的视角 of the founding fathers,
它不害怕展示他们 one which isn't afraid to show them
有缺陷的一面 as flawed human beings.
《汉密尔顿》的传记作家罗恩·切尔诺 Hamilton biographer Ron Chernow described it
把此称为“给成年人的历史” as 'history for grown-ups'.
我们想到我们的开国元勋时 We think of our founding fathers
他们就像拉什莫尔山上的雕像一样 as these figures on Mount Rushmore.
是用花岗岩做的 They're made of granite.
林使他们有血有肉 他把他们变成了人性化的 Lin made them flesh and blood. He made them human.
你看到诋毁 争吵 You saw the bickering, the squabbling.
你看到了他们不得不做出的肮脏的政治妥协 You saw the dirty political compromises they had to make.
你看到了燃烧的雄心 You saw the burning ambition,
伯尔和汉密尔顿之间的仇恨 the hatred between Burr and Hamilton.
你看到了伯尔对汉密尔顿的 You saw the jealousy
成功的嫉妒 that Burr had for Hamilton's success,
汉密尔顿在每一次都胜过了他 that Hamilton outfoxed him at every turn.
我认为在某种程度上接近历史 I think approaching history in a way
而不神化开国元勋们 that doesn't deify the founding fathers
使得这些角色更加引人注目 makes those characters all the more compelling.
历史学家并不总是这样做 Historians don't always do that.
他们倾向于把托马斯·杰斐逊神化 They tend to mythologize Thomas Jefferson
比方说 认为与奴隶生下孩子 and suggest, for instance, it was never in his character
这完全不符合他 to have fathered children with a slave.
而当你看证据时 When you look at the evidence,
它压倒性地支持相反的观点 it overwhelmingly supports the contrary.
这些是实际上 Those are the things that actually
让这些角色变得真实的事情 make those characters real.
我认为这些是我们所承认的东西 I think those are the things that we identify.
当你将某人神化时 他们也会变得 When you deify somebody, they become as interesting
就像我们为他们竖立的雕像一样索然无趣 as the statues that we erect to them
而不是那些真正让人有人性的缺点让它们变得有趣 as opposed to the flaws that truly make someone human.
我认为这就是联系人们的东西 I think that's what's connecting people,
个中人性 the humanity of it.
我认为人们看到的是他们自己 I think people are seeing themselves
以及这些人有多么有缺陷 and how flawed these people are
而因为伟大之处 and it's giving them hope because of the wonderful things
这些人仍然能够取得成功 these people were still able to achieve
即使他们有缺点 这给了他们希望 even with their flaws.
这是一个关于政治家的剧 It's a show about a politician
这也与政策有关 that is also about policy.
有大量的材料 There is a tremendous amount of material
有关于银行政策 about banking policy,
关于如何应对法国大革命 about dealing with the French Revolution,
关于奴隶制存废 about slave owning.
据我所知 这在音乐剧中是独一无二的 It is unique in musical theater, as far as I know,
它创立了一个在处理政策问题上 with one exception,
的先河 in dealing with the policy questions
使我们感兴趣的政客们活跃起来 that animated the politicians we take an interest in.
但是用这样的方法来描述它的主题 But in taking such an approach to its subject,
《汉密尔顿》不可避免地引发了一场 "Hamilton" inevitably opened a debate
关于历史的准确性的辩论 about historical accuracy,
一些批评人士指出 这部剧规避了 with some critics noting that the show side-steps
当时一些更令人不安的问题 some of the more uncomfortable questions of the time,
特别是对于 in particular, the attitude
奴隶制的主要支持者的态度 of the main protagonists towards slavery.
《汉密尔顿》让人兴奋的一点是 One of the exciting things about "Hamilton"
关于美国历史的对话 is the conversation about American history
这是挑衅的 that it's provoked.
争论中有一个意识 There's a sense in which people argue.
汉密尔顿被剧塑造成 It was Hamilton as against slavery
反对奴隶制 as the play depicts.
他与之结婚的斯凯勒家族 The Schuyler family that he married into,
他们是奴隶主 they were slave holders.
还有例如 汉密尔顿对移民的态度是什么? What was Hamilton's attitude about immigrants, for example?
人们对此提出了质疑 People have contested that.
所有这些问题都出现了 All of these questions have come up.
大部分对这部戏的批评 Most of the criticism of the play
一直有这样的争论 has been those kinds of debates.
这样的描述准确吗?这样的描述公平吗? Is this an accurate portrayal? Is it a fair portrayal?
这是在走捷径吗? What corners is it cutting?
你对任何基于一个历史事件的事 You can say that of anything
都可以说 that's based on an historical event,
应该有一个平衡的方法 that there should be a balanced approach.
我不认为它是平衡的 更像是讲述… I don't think it's balanced so much as telling...
一个有两面性的故事 It's a story that has two sides to the same coin.
在他的例子中 是 In his instance, it's the contradiction
一个白手起家的人 of being a self-made man coming from nothing,
和他对美国伟大之处在于精英统治的观点 and yet his vision for America's greatness
的矛盾之处 lay in elitist ruling.
我认为它们是紧密联系在一起的 所以不去考察其中一个 I think they go hand in hand, and to not examine one
是省略了一些东西 is to leave something out
我认为这是他性格中和故事中 that I think is integral to his character
不可或缺的一部分 and to his story.
尽管如此 呈现的部分还是准确的 Nonetheless, what is there is accurate.
《汉密尔顿》在历史准确性方面 Hamilton's most obvious break
最显著的突破 with historical accuracy
在于它是由多民族演员组成的 is in the make-up of its multi-ethnic cast.
几乎所有的角色都由有色演员扮演 With almost all of its parts played by actors of color,
《汉密尔顿》提出了一个关于多样性 Hamilton presented a bold statement about diversity
以及当代美国的本质的大胆声明 and the nature of contemporary America.
我认为这是说 I think the statement is:
“这也是我们的历史 我们在这里”你知道吗? "This is our history too. We are here." You know?
我们可以扮演这些角色 And we can play these roles
我们可以让它成为我们的故事 and we can make it our story.
这是它打破美国是什么样子 It's the way it flips this convention
的惯例的方式 of what America is.
一些我最喜欢的 Some of my favorite images
深深烙进我脑海的景象像是 that are seared into my brain are like
当看到 说说音乐范畴的 when you see, to take it to music,
弗兰克·欧森 歌手 Frank Ocean, the singer.
他把美国国旗当作印花大手帕 He wears an American flag as a bandana
或者流浪者合唱团 他们身后会有一面旗子 or OutKast and they'll have a flag behind them.
它是如此不可思议的强大 It's so incredibly powerful.
你会接受这个国家的基础 You take in the foundation of this country
对这个国家的真实认识 with the actual idea of what this country is.
现在人们看到了 Now people are seeing that,
就是这个印记 and it's this imprint that's going to be
对很多年轻人来说 这是一个永久的记录 a permanent record to a lot of young people.
当你在现场看的时候 When you're watching it on stage
过了一分钟就没有差别了 after a minute it makes no difference.
这就是詹姆斯·麦迪逊 This is the man who is James Madison.
这就是托马斯·杰斐逊 This is the man who is Thomas Jefferson.
你不会想:为什么托马斯·杰斐逊是黑人？ You're not thinking: why is Thomas Jefferson black?
这点真是太棒了 The theater is amazing that way.
百老汇很长时间 Broadway for a long time
被称为“白佬汇（伟大的白色大道）” was called the Great White Way.
然后这就变成了一种轻蔑的评论 Then that became a kind of a disparaging comment
因为这些剧基本上都是白人的 because the shows were by and large white
观众当然也是白人 and the audiences certainly were white.
但随着年轻人对百老汇越来越感兴趣 But as young people become more interested in Broadway
自从《吉屋出租》的成功 since the success of "Rent",
他们不都是白人孩子 they're not all white kids.
他们给音乐戏剧的形式 And they're bringing new voices and new music
带来了新的声音和新的音乐 to the form of the musical theater
我认为从长远来看这是好的 健康的 which I think is good and healthy in the long run.
我认为《汉密尔顿》是这样一部剧 I think "Hamilton" is a show that says
告诉你你是什么肤色 it doesn't matter what color you are
或者什么背景和种族并不重要 or your background or your ethnicity.
音乐剧是一种 The musical theater is an artform
你可以在其中茁壮成长 你应该被吸引的艺术形式 that you can thrive in, that you should be attracted to.
剧业中有色人种老是被排斥在外 There's been so much exclusion in the theater
一般只能在百老汇做到 in which people of color have generally only been able
讲一些特定的故事 to tell certain stories
说些特定的话 and say certain things on Broadway.
他们在百老汇的演出受到了限制 Their involvement on Broadway has been very circumscribed
非常受束缚 and very limited.
不只是讲述任何故事 而是一个 To tell not just any story but a founding story
对美国生活的叙述 建设性的故事 of the narrative of American life
有一种元相关性 has a kind of meta relevance.
这本身是对这个国家的有色人种 It's a commentary itself on the role
的角色的评论 of people of color in this country.
我收到过电影公司主管的电子邮件 I've gotten e-mails from movie executives
他说:“你让我对这个项目或那个项目 who say, "You've totally made me rethink the casting
“重新考虑角色 因为我看到了 "of this project or that project because I saw what...
“令人难以置信的才华横溢 多样化的面孔 "...an incredibly talented, diverse group of faces
可以展示给观众看” "can do to an audience."
这是美妙的 这是一件美妙的事情 That's wonderful. That's a wonderful thing.
能产生这样的影响感觉很好 It's a wonderful feeling to have that kind of impact.
当某件事取得某种成功时 它就会产生反响 When something has a kind of success it reverberates.
这是人们感到兴奋的一部分 That's part of the excitement people felt.
这些了不起的表演者是谁? Who are these amazing performers?
为什么我们以前没见过? Why haven't we seen them before?
哦 因为没有地方能看到他们 Oh, because there was nothing to see them in.
而《汉密尔顿》被证明是一个完美的平台 And Hamilton proved to be the perfect platform
为新一代演员展示自己的才华 for a new generation of actors to show their talent.
许多出色的表演为该剧赢得了演员 A host of standout performances earned the play's cast
总共7次托尼奖提名 a total of seven Tony nominations,
林-曼努尔·米兰达 小莱斯利·奥多姆 菲利帕·苏 with Lin-Manuel Miranda, Leslie Odom Jnr, Philippa Soo,
戴维德·迪格斯 乔纳森·格罗夫 克里斯托弗·杰克逊 Daveed Diggs, Jonathan Groff, Christopher Jackson
和芮妮·戈兹贝里的表现都得到了认可 and Renée Elise Goldsberry all recognized for their work.
我觉得林-曼努尔·米兰达 I thought Lin-Manuel Miranda was great
扮演的汉密尔顿很棒 in his role as Hamilton.
在某种意义上 他在讲述自己的故事 In a sense, he was telling his own story.
我觉得他很认同 I feel like he very much identified
他创造的角色 with the character that he created.
还有戴维德·迪格斯 他扮演了拉法叶和杰弗逊 And Daveed Diggs who played Lafayette and Jefferson.
在这两个角色之间转换 Just moving between those two roles
真的很有趣 was really fun
令人兴奋和耐人寻味 and exciting and intriguing to watch.
能够扮演一个 Getting to play a role where I get
我把我学到的东西运用的角色 to take these things that I learned
从只是试着像我爸爸那样在台上走动 from just trying to walk around like my dad walks around
这太棒了 我不知道 has been so great. I don't know.
而托马斯·杰斐逊! And Thomas Jefferson!
我能读为托马斯·杰斐逊写的台词 There's no way that that should be real,
就像在说“对啊 那是我爸” that I should get to read lines written for Thomas Jefferson,
这不可能是真实的吧 be like, "Yeah, that's my father."
可这可是太真实了! Except maybe that's way too real!
但是 这太棒了 真是太有趣了 But, it's been so great. It's been so much fun.
这个过程中最伟大的事情之一就是 One of the great things about this process
我们被要求承担那么多责任 is how much of ourselves we were asked to bring to it
以及这样做有多有意义 and how much sense it kept making to do that.
我认为这部剧的真正明星 I think the real star of the show
就表演而言 是小莱斯利·奥多姆 in terms of the acting was Leslie Odom Jnr.
林当然是个天才 他写了这部剧 Lin is certainly a talented guy. He created the show.
但他是所有人中表现最薄弱的 But he was the weakest performer of them all
因为他不是一流的演员 because he's not the grade actor.
莱斯利·奥多姆作为亚伦·伯尔 And Leslie Odom was so charismatic
是如此的有魅力 如此引人注目 and so compelling as Aaron Burr.
而且扮演反派总是更好的 And it's always better to play the villain.
这是一个更有趣的一部分 It's just a juicier part.
莱斯利用一种凶猛和强烈的方式来表演 And Leslie played it with a ferocity and intensity
当你看到时 那是相当令人兴奋的 that was pretty thrilling when you saw it.
尤其是在公共剧院 他处于这个水平 Especially at The Public Theater he was at this level
而林还在这个水平摇摇晃晃 and Lin was still wobbling around here
试着找到那个角色 trying to find the character.
当然 他还在编写和修改剧 Listen, he also was writing and fixing the show
所以他有一些分心 so he had a few distractions there.
但对我来说 莱斯利才是这个节目真正的明星 But Leslie to me was the real star of the show.
这部剧某种程度上 This show has sort of...
帮我找到了方向 ...helped me find some direction,
再次寻找一些目标 find some purpose again.
这是我一直觉得我应该做的事情 This is what I always felt like I was meant to be doing
但我一直在等林来写 but I was waiting for Lin to write it.
对我来说 这是一种 To me it was the combination
他们令人震惊的卓越品质的结合 of their exceptional qualities that were stunning
他们能找到这么多人 that they were able to find so many people
如此出色地完成艰巨的工作 who could perform difficult work so brilliantly.
现在是第二轮和巡回演出的演员 And now with the second cast and with the touring the cast
他们并不是很难找到这些人 it's not like they're having trouble finding these people.
他们一直在等待有什么事情发生 They've been waiting for something to come along
并用它们来展示自己 with which they could show who they are.
对我来说就是这样 That to me is the thing.
是的 我喜欢芮内·爱丽丝·戈兹贝里 Yes, I love Renée Elise Goldsberry
或戴维德·迪格斯 or Daveed Diggs.
每一天都可能是不同的人 Each day might be a different person
这取决于我在听什么 depending on what I'm listening to.
但这是他们所有人一起给我的 But it was all of them together that did it for me.
但就像任何音乐剧作品一样 But as with any work of musical theater,
节目的亮点是音乐本身 the star of the show is the music itself.
虽然被标榜为嘻哈音乐 Although billed as a hip-hop musical,
这出戏的音乐超出了饶舌的范围 the play's score moves beyond rap
囊括了一系列其他的风格 to take in a series of other styles,
从20世纪60年代的节拍音乐到传统的音乐剧曲调 from beat music of the 1960s to traditional show tunes.
2015年9月发布时 On its release in September 2015,
原班卡司的录音被证明是巨大的成功 the original cast recording proved to be an enormous hit,
在公告牌排行榜上位列第三 reaching as high as number 3 on the Billboard chart
并获得格莱美最佳音乐剧专辑奖 and winning a Grammy Award for Best Musical Theater Album.
林-马努艾尔·米兰达有一点很赞 One thing that's beautiful about Lin-Manuel Miranda
他真的反映了我们现在听音乐的方式 is that he really reflects the way we listen to music now.
我们听各种各样的音乐 We listen to every kind of music
所以当你在写音乐剧的时候 so every kind of music is useful
每种音乐都是有用的 when you're writing musical theater now
没有一种音乐风格 and there isn't a style of music
在这个领域是孤立的 in this season alone.
有乡村音乐 嘻哈音乐 古典音乐 There's country music, hip-hop, classical.
都在这里 这些都是相关的 都很重要 It's all there. It's all relevant and it all matters.
作为一个表演者 你能做的最重要的事情 The most important thing as a performer that you can do
是真的有信心 is really have the confidence
知道你的声音表现的东西是正确的 to know that what your voice is doing is right.
我们怎么知道这个计划会成功呢? How did we know that this plan would work?
我们内部有个间谍没错 We had a spy on the inside That's right
赫拉克勒斯·穆里根! Hercules Mulligan!
一个监视英国政府的裁缝! A tailor spyin' on the British government!
我测量他们的尺寸 打量他们的信息 I take their measurements, information
然后我把它偷带到 And then I smuggle it
我兄弟的革命队伍 To my brother's revolutionary covenant
我和自由之子们在一起奋战 'm runni' with the Sons of Liberty
我爱这事！瞧 当你反抗暴徒的时候 And I am lovi' it! See, tha's what happens
就是这样 When you up against the ruffians
我们现在在屎坑里 得有人把它铲掉! We in the shit now, somebody gotta shovel it!
赫拉克勒斯·穆里根 我不需要介绍 Hercules Mulligan, I need no introduction
当你打倒我的时候 我他*的又站起来了! When you knock me down I get the fuck back up again!
我认为《汉密尔顿》的音乐真的很有趣 I think the music of "Hamilton" is really interesting
因为尽管它很明显植根于嘻哈音乐 because although it is clearly rooted in hip-hop
而且节目中一些杰出的曲目 and some of the standout numbers in the show
是说唱曲目 are the rap numbers,
但节目中还有很多其他类型的音乐 there are lots of other types of music in the show.
有英国60年代的流行音乐 There's British pop music of the 60s.
有节奏布鲁斯 There is R 'n' B.
里面有安德鲁·劳埃德·韦伯风格的音乐 There's Andrew Lloyd Webber style music in it.
所以这是非常多样化的 So it's very diverse,
比我想的要多 much more than I think it's been given credit for.
…看着你 ...eyes on you
历史在注视着你 History has its eyes on you
我想介绍性的曲目是"亚历山大·汉密尔顿" I think the introductory number "Alexander Hamilton"
可能是剧中最引人注目的曲目 is probably the most striking number in the show
因为它向你介绍了更大的主题 because it introduces you to larger themes,
主要的角色 major characters.
林-曼努尔有这个功夫 And Lin-Manuel has this thing
他演出的开场曲目 where his opening numbers for his shows,
就像他在2008年的第一部剧《身在高地》 like in "In the Heights", his first show in 2008,
它们为了整个节目 they provide the narrative impetus
提供了叙述的动力 for the entire show,
他们介绍了所有的主题 但是他们是 they introduce all the themes, but they do it
用这个不可思议的文字游戏做到的 with this incredible wordplay.
我记得在百老汇看过这部剧 I remember seeing it on Broadway
想着“哇!” and thinking, "Wow!"
开场音乐结束时 全场起立鼓掌 The standing ovation at the end of the opening number
那么激动人心和强大 was that galvanizing and powerful.
我们同他战斗 We fought with him
我?我为他而死 Me? I died for him
我?我信任他 Me? I trusted him
我?我爱他 Me? I loved him
我? And me?
我就是那个开枪打死他的该死的蠢货 'm the damn fool that shot him
我还有无数的事没做 Ther's a million things I have't done
但你等着瞧吧! But just you wait!
-你叫什么名字?——亚历山大·汉密尔顿! - Wha's your name, man? - Alexander Hamilton!
剧中对国王乔治三世的描绘 The depiction of King George III in the play
很令人发笑 is just hilarious
因为它在很多层面上都有效 because it works on so many levels.
音乐很有披头士风格 The music is very Beatlesque
这也是一种双关 which is a kind of pun
关于英国和美国的事情 on the English and American thing also.
这是对婴儿潮一代文化的一种双关语 It's a kind of pun on boomer culture
以及这种年轻的反叛文化 and this young insurgent culture.
乔纳森·格罗夫在原版中 There's a very passive aggressive quality
在他扮演国王乔治三世的表演中 to Jonathan Groff in the original production
有一种非常消极主动的品质 in his performance as King George III.
他打扮得像艾尔顿·约翰! He's dressed up like Elton John!
更传统的美丽音乐剧曲目 Beautiful more traditional musical theater numbers,
很具音乐性 very melodic.
林有创造旋律的天赋 Lin has a gift for melody
开始的时候我都没欣赏到这点 which I didn't appreciate the first time around.
这是非常重要的 你不能让音乐剧的歌曲 Very important. You can't have musical theater songs
没有旋律的线条 without a melodic line.
有时嘻哈和说唱 Sometimes hip-hop and rap -
旋律线不是很强烈 the melodic line is not that strong.
如果你的乐谱 So if you had a score that was
只有一首接一首的嘻哈说唱 just one hip-hop rap number after another,
我不认为它会像现在这样成功 I don't think it would be as successful as it is.
他找到了一个融合它的方法 He's found a way to vary it up.
我认为像"The Room Where it Happens"这样的歌曲很有力 I think a song like "The Room Where it Happens" is powerful.
这是一首 逐渐推进的歌 It's a... slowly emerging song
关于野心和嫉妒 of ambition and jealousy
亚伦·伯尔说:“为什么我被遗漏了? of Aaron Burr saying, "Why am I left out?
“为什么不是我做决定?” "Why am I not the one making decisions?
“为什么我不在那里? "Why am I not there
“这玩意儿什么时候决定?” "when this big stuff is going down?"
所以这是一个很好的角色曲目 So it's a very good character number
因为它真的向你展示了 because it really shows you
为什么亚伦·伯尔开始讨厌亚历山大·汉密尔顿 why Aaron Burr comes to hate Alexander Hamilton
因为汉密尔顿把他击倒了 because Hamilton's knocked him by.
他得回到房间里去 And he's got to get back in the room
唯一的办法就是杀了亚历山大·汉密尔顿! and the only way is to kill Alexander Hamilton!
其中一首非常吸引人的歌是"My Shot" One of the really compelling songs is "My Shot"
你真正感受到亚历山大·汉密尔顿的成功 where you really feel that energy
的那种能量 of Alexander Hamilton to make it.
这是那样一个美国的主题 And that's such an American theme.
我不会放弃我的机会 I am not throwing away my shot
嘿 我就像我的国家一样 Hey yo, 'm just like my country
我年轻 好斗 饥渴难耐 'm young, scrappy and hungry
我不会放弃我的机会 And 'm not throwing away my shot
我不会放弃我的机会 I am not throwing away my shot
嘿 我就像我的国家一样 Hey yo, 'm just like my country
我年轻 好斗 饥渴难耐 'm young, scrappy and hungry
我不会放弃我的机会 And 'm not throwing away my shot
我不会放弃我的机会 'm not going to give up my shot.
就在这 我们正在努力 This is it. We're going for it.
在这个意义上… In that sense...
…那种程度的信念 ...that level of conviction
是戏剧中贯穿始终的品质 is something that really comes through
它连接了这个革命性的音乐剧 in the play and it links this revolutionary musical
和美国历史上非常传统的主题 to very traditional themes in American history.
所以即使它打破了某些模式 So even if it's breaking certain molds,
它依附于某些其他物质 it's adhering to certain others.
在把《汉密尔顿》搬上舞台过程中 In bringing "Hamilton" to life on-stage,
林·曼努尔·米兰达找到了他的挚友 Lin Manuel-Miranda turned to his firm friend
和经常的合作者 托马斯·凯尔 and frequent collaborator, Thomas Kail.
凯尔和米兰达90年代末在卫斯理大学初次见面时 Kail first met Miranda while both were students
都是学生 at Wesleyan in the late 90s.
他共同创立了嘻哈乐团“自由潇洒爱最大” He co-founded the hip-hop troupe Freestyle Love Supreme
并在他执导的《身在高地》完成过程中 and was instrumental in the development
发挥了重要作用 of "In The Heights", which he directed.
林-曼努尔最初构思《汉密尔顿》时 When Lin-Manuel had his original idea for "Hamilton",
凯尔很快就担任了该剧的导演 Kail was quick to come on board as the show's director.
林在2009年创作了第一首歌曲 现在是2016年6月 Lin wrote the first song in 2009 and it's June of 2016.
这就是你生命中的7年 So, that's seven years of your life that you spend
试着把这颗小种子种出来 trying to take this little seed and grow it,
成为不仅仅是一棵树 而是一片森林 into not just a tree but a forest.
这就是我的工作 尝试创造一种环境 That's really what my job is, to try and create an environment
在这里 作者可以感受到培养和支持 where the writer can feel nurtured and supported.
然后我试着在他周围添加其他的种子 Then I try to add other seeds around him
找到其他的人 and find other people
让我变得更好 努力实现这出戏 to make me better and to try to realize the show.
他的方向从来没有妨碍过 His direction never got in the way
林的音乐和剧本 of Lin's score and Lin's script.
他不是那种什么都管的主管 He's not a director who puts his thumbprints over everything.
他明白剧的力量 He understood that the power of the show
在音乐 歌词和故事叙述中 was in the music, the lyrics, and the storytelling.
他的指挥很有技巧 His direction is very skillful.
你不会走出剧院时想着 You don't walk away from that show thinking,
“哇 那个导演是谁?多么精彩的制作啊！” "Wow, who's that director? What an amazing production!"
你从剧院中走出来 想着 You walk away from that show thinking,
“林-曼努尔·米兰达是个天才!” "Lin-Manuel Miranda is a genius!"
汤姆明白这一点 And Tom understood that.
他的工作就是为林的发挥服务 His job was to serve Lin's show.
现实是每个人都在舞台上 The reality is everybody on stage
下台后在这个公司 and off stage in this company
倾尽他们的全部来工作 is working at the absolute top of their game
我认为所有事情的基线 and I think that the baseline of everything
是信任和信念 is trust and faith.
所以说“不”并不难 So that's why saying "no" isn't that hard.
说“可能”并不难 saying "maybe" is not that hard
说“是”并不难 and saying "yes" isn't that hard.
现实是 有时是你能给出的最好答案 The reality is sometimes the best answer you can give
是“继续” is "keep going".
我很少会做任何 It's very rare that I would do anything
会阻止任何人… that would prevent anyone from...
…抓住一个想法 并充分扩展它的事 ...taking an idea and fully expanding it.
我的工作是创造一个空间 人人都知道 My job is to create a room where everybody knows
他们被要求做什么 我们在讲什么故事 what they're being asked to do, what story we're telling
以及我们想如何讲述它 所以现实是 and how we want to tell it. So the reality is,
林和我达到了这一步 亚历克斯和安迪【编曲和编舞】分享了托尼奖 Lin and I got to a place, and Alex and Andy shared this,
这几乎是下意识的 where it was almost subliminal.
有时他会抬起头来 At times he would cock his head,
“我知道 让我检查一遍吧” "I know, just let me go through the thing."
但事实是 对我们所有人来说 那是一个安全的房间 But the reality is it was such a safe room for all of us.
这些演员也知道他们是被允许 These actors also knew they were allowed
住在一个可以探索的地方 to live in a place where they could explore.
我们试着为彼此创造 We tried to create that for each other.
他没有做过头 He didn't overdo it.
他没有说“好吧 这是我的机会” He didn't say, "OK, this is my shot,"
然后再僭越 and then overshoot it.
排演是非常困难的 The staging is very stepped back
有一点需要 when it needs to be,
再次理解 again understanding
语言信息是很棘手的 that the verbal information is tricky
而且大部分时间都需要被放到重心 and needs to be forefronted most of the time.
所以他给语言部分留出空间 So he gives space to the verbal component
对戏剧观众来说 这是一大乐趣 which is a joy for theatergoers
他们能记住戏剧语言 who remember when plays still were about words.
凯尔和米兰达都熟知 Both Kail and Miranda are steeped
音乐剧的历史 in the history of musical theater,
尽管《汉密尔顿》一再因 and although "Hamilton" has been repeatedly praised
创新性受到赞扬 for its originality,
它的创作者和导演都承认 its creator and director have acknowledged
其他一些节目也依靠自己的制作 that a number of other shows had an important influence
产生了重要的影响 on their own production.
林-曼努尔在这方面的专长简直是天才 Lin-Manuel's expertise in the genre is just genius.
我认为他很可能是 I would suggest he could very well be
美国音乐剧的未来 the future of American musical theater.
同时 在他的整个作品中 At the same time, throughout his work,
尽管他参与了嘻哈音乐 even though he was involved in hip-hop,
你能看到他向桑德海姆致敬 you see a nod to Sondheim
在他密集的歌词中 你可以看到哈特和汉默斯坦 in the density of his lyrics, you see Hart and Hammerstein
以及影响他的伟大的作曲家的影子 and the great composers that he was influenced by.
《汉密尔顿》受到了几方面的影响 There are several influences on "Hamilton" -
正如林所承认的 斯蒂芬·桑德海姆 Stephen Sondheim, as Lin acknowledges,
因为史蒂夫毫无疑问写音乐和歌词 because Steve wrote of course, music and lyrics,
但他也写成人音乐剧 but also he did adult shows.
他不写音乐童话 He didn't do musical fables,
他不为为疲惫的商人写剧 he didn't do shows for the tired businessman.
他与哈尔·普林斯写了挑战性的剧 He did with Hal Prince, challenging shows -
《伙伴们》是关于婚姻冲突的 "Company" which is about marital strife,
《富丽秀》是关于衰老的 "Follies" which is about ageing,
还有关于谋杀和食人的《理发师陶德》! and "Sweeney Todd" which is about murder and cannibalism!
当然《理发师陶德》 Certainly "Sweeney Todd"
在核心角色的庞大形象 in the hugeness of the central character,
以及作品的雄心中 and the ambition of the work.
坎德和艾布的作品——《芝加哥》《歌厅》 The works of Kander and Ebb - "Chicago", "Cabaret",
显然是对它的一种启发 are certainly evident as an inspiration
强调主题发展 for the emphasis on thematic development.
《1776》是一部非常重要的剧 不应该被忽视 "1776" is a very important show that should not be overlooked.
彼得·斯通写的那个剧说 That show written by Peter Stone was a show that said
开国元勋不是课本里的 the founding fathers are not in the text book,
不是拉什莫尔山上的 they're not on Mount Rushmore.
他们是有血有肉的生命 They're flesh and blood vital human beings.
我认为没有《1776》 I think without "1776",
林不可能完成《汉密尔顿》 I don't think Lin could have pulled off "Hamilton".
我还想说 除了你通常听到的名字- I would also say, aside from the usual names your hear -
比如罗杰斯和汉默斯坦当然是【《音乐之声》等作者】 Rogers and Hammerstein are of course there.
他经常巧妙而幽默地引用他们的话 He quotes them subtly and humorously a lot -
就像耶稣基督万世巨星 "Jesus Christ Superstar",
但我想你不能忘记吉尔伯特和沙利文【维多利亚时期剧曲作家】 but I think you can't forget Gilbert and Sullivan -
在音乐剧里的言语智慧这一方面的 the last real exemplars of that level
最早的真正的典范 of verbal wit in musical theater.
我想林会说 I think Lin would say
对他影响最深的是《吉屋出租》 that the most profound influence on him was "Rent".
90年代没有对年轻人喊话 You had no musicals that spoke to young people
关于他们的挣扎的音乐剧 going through their struggles in the 90s
除了《吉屋出租》就是这样的 and that's what "Rent" was -
贫穷的艺术家生活在纽约市挣扎为生 poor struggling artists living in New York City
当时他们中的很多人都死于艾滋病 at a time when many of them were being killed by A.I.D.S.,
它有摇滚的音乐 and it had a rock and roll score.
所以突然感觉… So it suddenly felt...
…很现代 它把年轻人带到剧院 ...contemporary, and it brought young people to the theater.
它带来了一代人 It brought the generation
这就是林-曼努尔·米兰达的一代 that would become the Lin-Manuel Mirandas
他因《吉屋出租》 who fell in love with musicals
爱上了音乐剧 because of "Rent".
在他所谓的 Among what he called
《汉密尔顿》的祖先中 the 'grandparents' of "Hamilton",
托马斯·凯尔列出了《理发师陶德》和《贝隆夫人》 Thomas Kail listed both "Sweeney Todd" and "Evita"
两部作品都对此剧的演出 as two productions that have had a clear impact
产生了明显的影响 on the staging of the show.
我觉得哈尔·普林斯的《理发师陶德》 I think Hal Prince's staging of "Sweeney Todd"
对《汉密尔顿》的上演非常重要 was very important to the staging of "Hamilton"
因为它的规模很大 because it was on a grand scale
有很多人 所以哈尔到处走动 with a lot of people that Hal was moving around.
你可以在汤姆排演的《汉密尔顿》中看到 You can see in Tom's staging of "Hamilton"
哈尔原版排演《理发师陶德》的影子 echoes of Hal's original staging of "Sweeney Todd".
《理发师陶德》让人想起了18世纪的伦敦 "Sweeney Todd" really evoked 18th century London,
泰晤士河上飘来的雾 right down to the fog coming off the Thames,
就像《汉密尔顿》的舞台和布景设计 much as the staging and set design of "Hamilton"
让人想起烛光照耀下的酒馆一样 evokes those taverns lit by candlelight
在那里开国元勋们精心打造了这个国家 where the founding fathers hashed out the country.
这是非常简单的舞台表演 但它是鲜活的 It was very simple staging but it was animated.
令人叹为观止的是舞蹈设计 The thing that was incredible was the choreography.
天 它是有生命的 每个人都在移动 Man, it was alive. Everybody was moving.
这个设计使人联想到一艘船 The design suggests a ship
木板和绳子之类的东西 with wooden planks and ropes and things like that,
可能是国家之船 possibly the ship of state.
但除此之外 它还 But other than that, it withdraws itself
排在表演水平的前列 to forefront the performances.
《汉密尔顿》在百老汇上演时 When "Hamilton" hit Broadway
2015年夏天 它爆炸了 in the summer of 2015 it blew up,
在美国各地 becoming nothing short of a phenomenon
成为一种不折不扣的现象 all over America.
颁奖典礼铺天盖地 The show was showered with awards,
它将格莱美奖和普利策奖收入囊中 collecting a Grammy and the Pulitzer prize
还伴随着托尼奖的雪崩收获 alongside the avalanche of Tonys.
2016年7月 林-曼努尔进行了作为亚历山大·汉密尔顿 In July 2016, Lin-Manuel gave a final, farewell performance
最后的告别演出 as Alexander Hamilton,
他的替补哈维尔·穆尼奥斯 before his understudy Javier Muñoz
开始接任这个角色 stepped into the role.
那年秋天 《汉密尔顿》开始了它的旅程 That fall, "Hamilton" began its journey
开始轰动全球 towards becoming a global sensation.
该剧开始在芝加哥驻演 The play began a residence in Chicago,
2017年 巡回演出的演员被召集到美国巡演 a touring cast was assembled to travel America in 2017
并宣布《悲惨世界》的制片人 and it was announced that "Les Miserables" producer
卡梅伦•麦金托什将担任 Cameron Mackintosh would oversee
伦敦西区的开演监督 an opening in London's West End.
我从2008年开始写这部剧 所以这是… I started writing this in 2008. So this is a culmination of...
这是很多人的庆典 It's a celebration of a lot of people
我们付出了很多努力 putting a lot of hard work in,
尤其是汤米·凯尔 将所有艺术形式 particularly Tommie Kail who got all the artforms
变成一个有凝聚力的东西 and made them into one cohesive thing
这就叫做《汉密尔顿》 called "Hamilton".
我们获得这么多提名是对于 The fact that we have so many nominations is a celebration
制作一部音乐剧需要多种艺术形式的褒扬 of how many artforms it takes to make a musical,
这让我很开心 and that makes me really happy.
《汉密尔顿》作为音乐剧的成功 "Hamilton"'s success as a musical
关键在于它确实是一个伟大的故事 lies in the fact that certainly it's a great story.
这是有抱负的 这是美国的 It's aspirational, it's American.
这也是对这些材料通过演员的多样性 It's also a contemporary look at such material
展现的当代视角 through the diversity of the cast.
但我认为真正的天赋 But I think its true genius lies
在这位天才剧作家身上 in the genius playwright himself,
林-曼努尔对语言的掌握程度 in terms of Lin-Manuel's mastery of language
以及他的才华 and the brilliance with which he is able
让他能积聚起一部有吸引力的当代音乐剧 to put a contemporary musical together that appeals.
他可以什么主题都不写 还是写得很精彩 He could write about nothing and it would be brilliant.
何况取材于这样的素材 To take something of such substance,
它必然会取得惊人的成功 it can't help but be an amazing success,
当然它已经是了 which of course it is.
他的干预是 His intervention is
真正包括进有色人种 to really include people of color
让他们以一种变革性的方式出现在美国舞台上 on the American stage in a way that is transformative
这是可持续的 and that is sustainable
这改变了“白佬汇（伟大的白色大道）” and that changes the notion of the Great White Way
排他性的概念 as an exclusionary space
变成了具有包容性的东西 into something that's much inclusionary.
我认为必须回到嘻哈音乐的使用 I think you have to go back to the use of hip-hop,
这是可能从50年代开始 which, for the first time, in musical theater
第一次出现在音乐剧里 since possibly the 50s
作为流行音乐的一种生动形式 is a living form in popular music.
在过去的四五十年里 人们唱音乐剧的方式 For the last 40, 50 years, the way people sing in musicals,
虽然很美 但却和 beautiful as it is, is not the same
人们在收音机或ipod上收听的音乐不一样 as what people are listening to on the radio or on their iPods.
经常丢失的是质量 What often gets lost is the quality.
这部剧真的很好 这是一个原因 It's really good. That's one reason.
就真的很好 It's just really good.
它的社会政治方面视角 它的选角演绎 The socio-political aspects of it, the casting of it.
所有这些东西 All of that stuff.
现在它与更大的社会问题有关 Its connection to larger social issues now
这些都是关于移民和种族的问题 that are very much in the air concerning immigration and race.
这显然是重要的 That's obviously important.
但如果戏演得不好 But if the play wasn't any good,
这些都不重要 none of that stuff would have mattered.
我花了七年时间写它 I spent seven years writing this.
所以我很想把家砸个精光 So I want to hammer that home a lot.
把节拍从细胞中踹出来为写作提供动力 Kicking beats from the cells fueled my writing.
但说实话 我们用了很长时间 But honestly, it takes a long time
把它塑造成这样 to get it into this kind of shape.
这是一种很大的的信仰行为 不是吗? And that's an enormous act of faith, isn't it?
从《汉密尔顿》的舞台上走下来 Having stepped off the "Hamilton" stage
林-曼努尔·米兰达很快就成了 Lin-Manuel Miranda quickly became
一个极受欢迎的艺术家和名人 a hugely sought-after artist and personality.
他被邀请为《星球大战:原力觉醒》 He was invited to contribute music
写音乐 to "Star Wars: The Force Awakens",
被要求给迪士尼动画电影 asked to write songs
《海洋奇缘》写歌 for the animated Disney film "Moana",
并在《欢乐满人间》续集《欢乐满人间2》 and handed a starring role in the Mary Poppins sequel
中担任主演 "Mary Poppins Returns".
在短短的两年时间里 Over the course of two short years,
林-曼努尔已经成为 Lin-Manuel had become
美国最家喻户晓的名字之一 one of the most famous names in America,
由大批粉丝拥护 celebrated by legions of fans,
所有的人都屏住呼吸等待着 all of whom wait, with baited breath,
看看从那个重新唤醒百老汇的人身上 to see what comes next
接下来会发生什么 from the man who re-awakened Broadway.
百老汇不习惯 Broadway's not used to
拥有巨星 having a rockstar.
我相信每个人都会说“你接下来要做什么?” I'm sure everybody's like, "What are you gonna do next?
“世界在你的掌握之中” "The world is your oyster."
他有世界上所有的关系 He has all the rope in the world
想做什么就做什么 to do anything that he wants.
这是令人兴奋的 他把观众带在身边 That's exciting. He's carried this audience along with him.
他有这么多的新粉丝 这么多的期待 He has all these new fans and all these expectations.
我想看看他现在 I want to see if he can now
有了他为自己搭建的平台 with the platform he has built for himself,
以及他磨练出来的技能 能不能使用他的能力 and the skills that he has honed if he can now use his abilities
讲述一个没有嘻哈音乐的音乐故事 to tell a musical story without hip-hop.
我喜欢这个节目中的嘻哈音乐 I enjoyed the hip-hop in this show
我觉得这对这个节目来说是必要的 and I feel like it was necessary to this show
为了把这么多的东西传达得那么难忘 in order to convey so much material so memorably.
但我不知道没有它他能做什么 But I wonder what he can do without that.
你可能会说这就是 You might say that's the language
他为自己而发展的语言 he's developed for himself.
为什么叫他做别的事呢? Why ask him to do something else?
我也同意这一点 And I agree with that too.
但如果他现在给我写一部剧 But if he's writing a show for me right now,
我想看到他真正努力 I'd like to see one where he really pushes
把他的旋律能力突出 his melodic abilities to the forefront,
而不仅仅是他的语言能力 rather than just his lyrical abilities.
我想和一个戏剧界的人 I think with a theater person
像林-曼努尔·米兰达这样的艺术家一起 and artist like Lin-Manuel Miranda,
你应该预想到意想不到的事情 you should expect the unexpected.
他的思维方式与凡人不同 His mind works in ways that mere mortals don't.
他看到的东西我们看不到 他读了一本关于亚历山大·汉密尔顿 He sees things that we don't. He read a 900 page biography
900页的传记 看到了一部音乐剧 about Alexander Hamilton and saw a musical.
在这个意义上 他就像安德鲁·劳埃德·韦伯 He is like Andrew Lloyd Webber in that sense.
安德鲁读了一些给孩子们的毫无意义关于猫的诗 Andrew read some nonsense poems for kids
看到了一部音乐剧 about cats and saw a musical.
他就像卡梅隆·麦金托什 He's like Cameron Mackintosh
拿起了一本关于一个偷面包的家伙1000页的法语小说 who picked up a 1,000 page novel in French
看到了《悲惨世界》 about a guy who steals bread and saw "Les Miserables".
他就像迈克尔·班尼特一样 He's like Michael Bennett who thought,
想着“无名的人们在群演中跳舞的故事 "The stories of the anonymous people dancing the chorus
可以做成他们自己的音乐剧” "can make their own show."
我认为像这样的剧院人 I think theater people like that
会遇到一些激发了他们想象力 are going to come across something
的事情 that captures their imagination
只有他们能看到在他们的脑海中展开的剧 that only they can see unfold in their head as a show
最终他们会在舞台上创造它 and eventually they will create it on a stage
让我们所有人都看到并喜爱 for all of us to see and enjoy.
因此从林-曼努尔·米兰达那里 So from Lin-Manuel Miranda
我期待一些我从未见过的东西 I expect something I've never seen before.